Morelos To Sevilla? - Ibrox Noise

[The Dude 20,027]

9 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

Goals per minutes is the best thing to look at. Take the variable of injuries and sub appearances etc out.

Domestically last few years he hasn’t been irreplaceable. Almost every OF striker has been as good or better. Roofe, Colak, Defoe, on par with Itten, Kyogo, Giomakkis, Griffiths, Edouard, Dembele etc

Don’t get me wrong he offers more off the ball than a Colak does. Europe he has been phenomenal for us and I genuinely believe if he’d been fit we wd have won the final.

But domestically I don’t think the Morelos of the last few years will be a big loss. His hold up play and dropping deep isn’t as effective as it is in Europe. And he is a worse finisher than a Colak or Roofe. And domestically we put a lot of balls in the box for our strikers to get on the end of. 

Why take variables like injuries out? It’s part of the reality of what has happened. I’d far rather a striker play 30 games and manage ten/fifteen goals a season than manage to play five games all season and score five goals. Better goals per 90 but utterly worthless over the course of a season. 

[Prso's headband 36,830]

I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say his performances and overall contributions to the team have declined bar some short spurts here and there. 
 

Saying he hasn’t shown up in 3.5 years is crazy though. 

[OrangeRab 3,403]

4 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Why take variables like injuries out? It’s part of the reality of what has happened. I’d far rather a striker play 30 games and manage ten/fifteen goals a season than manage to play five games all season and score five goals. Better goals per 90 but utterly worthless over the course of a season. 

Of course you want both. But looking at output alone tells you whether they are good enough. How many goals are we going to score if this guy doesn’t get injured. And is it good enough to win the league.

If we have a striker starting and play 30 games and score ten goals we aren’t winning the league. Full stop. 

Morelos level in the league when he has been fit imo hasn’t been above what we could reasonably hope to replace him with/what we already have. His ceiling is higher though which would be why I’m sad to see him leave.

[The Dude 20,027]

1 minute ago, OrangeRab said:

Of course you want both. But looking at output alone tells you whether they are good enough. How many goals are we going to score if this guy doesn’t get injured. And is it good enough to win the league.

If we have a striker starting and play 30 games and score ten goals we aren’t winning the league. Full stop. 

Morelos level in the league when he has been fit imo hasn’t been above what we could reasonably hope to replace him with/what we already have. His ceiling is higher though which would be why I’m sad to see him leave.

Then why have so few been able to step up and consistently replace what he brings? You’d think if it was THAT easy we’d have done it years ago when folk moaned we were too reliant on Morelos. 

[OrangeRab 3,403]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Then why have so few been able to step up and consistently replace what he brings? You’d think if it was THAT easy we’d have done it years ago when folk moaned we were too reliant on Morelos. 

We haven’t been able to replace Morelos from 4-5 years ago. We absolutely have the Morelos of the last few. That’s the whole point. Colak these days isn’t a downgrade on Morelos.

Colak is a downgrade on the Morelos of 5 years ago.

But we aren’t replacing the Morelos of 5 years ago. We’re replacing the Morelos now.

Same way we aren’t replacing the McGregor of old. Where it wd be very difficult for us to get better. But basically any comepetent keeper now wd be better

[Colin Traive 23,879]

7 minutes ago, Prso's headband said:

I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say his performances and overall contributions to the team have declined bar some short spurts here and there. 

Don’t knock short spurts, mate. You’ll be auld yourself one day.

[OrangeRab 3,403]

For the same reason that’s why I think letting Kent go is a gamble. Because the difference between Kent and what we currently bring on (Wright) is massive. The difference between current Morelos and Colak is nothing. Although I do think we need better than Colak. So that we be a legitimate argument for keeping Morelos, because at least their is potential for a higher ceiling with him, as we’ve seen before

[Siam69 27,881]

I think Morelos will go, maybe already done, but Kent will stay.

I think that's what Beale would prefer as well. 

[TEFTONG 61,316]

2 minutes ago, Siam69 said:

I think Morelos will go, maybe already done, but Kent will stay.

I think that's what Beale would prefer as well. 

I would prefer it the other way round tbh. 

[MacBoyd 6,074]

3 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said:

That’s ok in principle but any injury to Colak and then we have no choice but to use him again.

Just wouldn't trust him to try with his agent and seville in his ear about avoiding injury.

[Negri's lovechild 15,394]

This thread has gone wild. 

There are a fair number of seasons Ally McCoist got a similar goal return to that of an apparently shite and on the decline Morelos. 

 

[sassaaaa 11,406]

2 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said:

This thread has gone wild. 

There are a fair number of seasons Ally McCoist got a similar goal return to that of an apparently shite and on the decline Morelos. 

 

This shit is going to run till June.

[MacBoyd 6,074]

4 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said:

This thread has gone wild. 

There are a fair number of seasons Ally McCoist got a similar goal return to that of an apparently shite and on the decline Morelos. 

 

Yeah when he had a broken leg or was mid 30s not his prime

[Negri's lovechild 15,394]

3 minutes ago, MacBoyd said:

Yeah when he had a broken leg or was mid 30s not his prime

87/88 season he scored 42 goals.

88/89, 89/90, 90/91 he scored 18 goals in each of those seasons, before his leg break and before his mid 30s.

[Siam69 27,881]

11 minutes ago, TEFTONG said:

I would prefer it the other way round tbh. 

Going by who the Manager plays, it think it tells it's own story. 

[The Dude 20,027]

7 minutes ago, MacBoyd said:

Yeah when he had a broken leg or was mid 30s not his prime

He won the golden boot when he broke his leg iirc

[MacBoyd 6,074]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

He won the golden boot when he broke his leg iirc

Pretty sure your right, obviously meant season after

[The Dude 20,027]

Just now, MacBoyd said:

Pretty sure your right, obviously meant season after

😂

[Rangers_no1 34,594]

50 minutes ago, The No.9 said:

Never fun having to bring up the other side but since even as far back to the 07/08 season in the last 16 seasons they’ve had at least one player to score 20 goals in 11 of those seasons from what I can find (going off a quick check transfermarkt could be wrong?)

so 11 of 16 seasons they’ve had a 20+ goal scorer and a few close or to that in the same years or the few without, I would say it’s definitely possible to do in todays game.

Its 8 out of 16 seasons, not 11.

Also at least 2 were when we were out the top division.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,624]

30 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said:

87/88 season he scored 42 goals.

88/89, 89/90, 90/91 he scored 18 goals in each of those seasons, before his leg break and before his mid 30s.

Tbf in they 3 seasons we were rotating a good few strikers who were all good, johnston, hateley etc

[The No.9 763]

41 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Its 8 out of 16 seasons, not 11.

Also at least 2 were when we were out the top division.

You sure? I’ve just realised some of the pages on that site are only showing league goals for some reason rather than total which is where I took some of my other numbers from.

Us not being there doesn’t really matter imo, either way I think strikers for either club really should be hitting 20 more often than not and usually only haven’t in recent years due to form or injury or wanting to move clubs etc.

[The No.9 763]

1 hour ago, Negri's lovechild said:

87/88 season he scored 42 goals.

88/89, 89/90, 90/91 he scored 18 goals in each of those seasons, before his leg break and before his mid 30s.

I could be remembering wrong but I’m sure in most of those seasons Johnson and Hateley were picked over him it was only once Walter took over Ally started being more the first choice

[The No.9 763]

1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Its 8 out of 16 seasons, not 11.

Also at least 2 were when we were out the top division.

I just recounted again and got 10 seasons this time lol from FBref.

Still I think it shows it possible plus a few of those seasons had more than one on 20 or people scoring around 18 etc.

Ironically some of the lower scoring seasons for their strikers seem to be last year and the latter half of Rodgers time.

[graeme_4 37,621]

Beale on the post-show saying he wants Jack and Kent to stay, but wouldn’t say that about Morelos.

Said he needs to see more from him at the training ground and during games. 

[The Dude 20,027]

49 minutes ago, The No.9 said:

I just recounted again and got 10 seasons this time lol from FBref.

Still I think it shows it possible plus a few of those seasons had more than one on 20 or people scoring around 18 etc.

Ironically some of the lower scoring seasons for their strikers seem to be last year and the latter half of Rodgers time.

So how many of those have done it consistently over several seasons?