The Dude 20,027 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, OrangeRab said: Goals per minutes is the best thing to look at. Take the variable of injuries and sub appearances etc out. Domestically last few years he hasn’t been irreplaceable. Almost every OF striker has been as good or better. Roofe, Colak, Defoe, on par with Itten, Kyogo, Giomakkis, Griffiths, Edouard, Dembele etc Don’t get me wrong he offers more off the ball than a Colak does. Europe he has been phenomenal for us and I genuinely believe if he’d been fit we wd have won the final. But domestically I don’t think the Morelos of the last few years will be a big loss. His hold up play and dropping deep isn’t as effective as it is in Europe. And he is a worse finisher than a Colak or Roofe. And domestically we put a lot of balls in the box for our strikers to get on the end of. Why take variables like injuries out? It’s part of the reality of what has happened. I’d far rather a striker play 30 games and manage ten/fifteen goals a season than manage to play five games all season and score five goals. Better goals per 90 but utterly worthless over the course of a season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 36,830 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say his performances and overall contributions to the team have declined bar some short spurts here and there. Saying he hasn’t shown up in 3.5 years is crazy though. Rangers_no1 and TamCoopz 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 3,403 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Dude said: Why take variables like injuries out? It’s part of the reality of what has happened. I’d far rather a striker play 30 games and manage ten/fifteen goals a season than manage to play five games all season and score five goals. Better goals per 90 but utterly worthless over the course of a season. Of course you want both. But looking at output alone tells you whether they are good enough. How many goals are we going to score if this guy doesn’t get injured. And is it good enough to win the league. If we have a striker starting and play 30 games and score ten goals we aren’t winning the league. Full stop. Morelos level in the league when he has been fit imo hasn’t been above what we could reasonably hope to replace him with/what we already have. His ceiling is higher though which would be why I’m sad to see him leave. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, OrangeRab said: Of course you want both. But looking at output alone tells you whether they are good enough. How many goals are we going to score if this guy doesn’t get injured. And is it good enough to win the league. If we have a striker starting and play 30 games and score ten goals we aren’t winning the league. Full stop. Morelos level in the league when he has been fit imo hasn’t been above what we could reasonably hope to replace him with/what we already have. His ceiling is higher though which would be why I’m sad to see him leave. Then why have so few been able to step up and consistently replace what he brings? You’d think if it was THAT easy we’d have done it years ago when folk moaned we were too reliant on Morelos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 3,403 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Then why have so few been able to step up and consistently replace what he brings? You’d think if it was THAT easy we’d have done it years ago when folk moaned we were too reliant on Morelos. We haven’t been able to replace Morelos from 4-5 years ago. We absolutely have the Morelos of the last few. That’s the whole point. Colak these days isn’t a downgrade on Morelos. Colak is a downgrade on the Morelos of 5 years ago. But we aren’t replacing the Morelos of 5 years ago. We’re replacing the Morelos now. Same way we aren’t replacing the McGregor of old. Where it wd be very difficult for us to get better. But basically any comepetent keeper now wd be better Bears, HG5, GWR1979 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 23,879 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Prso's headband said: I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say his performances and overall contributions to the team have declined bar some short spurts here and there. Don’t knock short spurts, mate. You’ll be auld yourself one day. Hadron Collider, Negri's lovechild and bornabear 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 3,403 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 For the same reason that’s why I think letting Kent go is a gamble. Because the difference between Kent and what we currently bring on (Wright) is massive. The difference between current Morelos and Colak is nothing. Although I do think we need better than Colak. So that we be a legitimate argument for keeping Morelos, because at least their is potential for a higher ceiling with him, as we’ve seen before Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siam69 27,881 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 I think Morelos will go, maybe already done, but Kent will stay. I think that's what Beale would prefer as well. OrangeRab and falkirkNS 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEFTONG 61,316 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Siam69 said: I think Morelos will go, maybe already done, but Kent will stay. I think that's what Beale would prefer as well. I would prefer it the other way round tbh. Negri's lovechild 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 6,074 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 hours ago, STEPPS BOY said: That’s ok in principle but any injury to Colak and then we have no choice but to use him again. Just wouldn't trust him to try with his agent and seville in his ear about avoiding injury. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negri's lovechild 15,394 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 This thread has gone wild. There are a fair number of seasons Ally McCoist got a similar goal return to that of an apparently shite and on the decline Morelos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said: This thread has gone wild. There are a fair number of seasons Ally McCoist got a similar goal return to that of an apparently shite and on the decline Morelos. This shit is going to run till June. Negri's lovechild 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 6,074 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said: This thread has gone wild. There are a fair number of seasons Ally McCoist got a similar goal return to that of an apparently shite and on the decline Morelos. Yeah when he had a broken leg or was mid 30s not his prime The No.9 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negri's lovechild 15,394 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, MacBoyd said: Yeah when he had a broken leg or was mid 30s not his prime 87/88 season he scored 42 goals. 88/89, 89/90, 90/91 he scored 18 goals in each of those seasons, before his leg break and before his mid 30s. MacBoyd 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siam69 27,881 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, TEFTONG said: I would prefer it the other way round tbh. Going by who the Manager plays, it think it tells it's own story. graeme_4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, MacBoyd said: Yeah when he had a broken leg or was mid 30s not his prime He won the golden boot when he broke his leg iirc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 6,074 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: He won the golden boot when he broke his leg iirc Pretty sure your right, obviously meant season after Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just now, MacBoyd said: Pretty sure your right, obviously meant season after 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers_no1 34,594 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 50 minutes ago, The No.9 said: Never fun having to bring up the other side but since even as far back to the 07/08 season in the last 16 seasons they’ve had at least one player to score 20 goals in 11 of those seasons from what I can find (going off a quick check transfermarkt could be wrong?) so 11 of 16 seasons they’ve had a 20+ goal scorer and a few close or to that in the same years or the few without, I would say it’s definitely possible to do in todays game. Its 8 out of 16 seasons, not 11. Also at least 2 were when we were out the top division. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jimfanciesthedude 25,624 Posted March 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said: 87/88 season he scored 42 goals. 88/89, 89/90, 90/91 he scored 18 goals in each of those seasons, before his leg break and before his mid 30s. Tbf in they 3 seasons we were rotating a good few strikers who were all good, johnston, hateley etc HG5, OrangeRab, graeme_4 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The No.9 763 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 41 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: Its 8 out of 16 seasons, not 11. Also at least 2 were when we were out the top division. You sure? I’ve just realised some of the pages on that site are only showing league goals for some reason rather than total which is where I took some of my other numbers from. Us not being there doesn’t really matter imo, either way I think strikers for either club really should be hitting 20 more often than not and usually only haven’t in recent years due to form or injury or wanting to move clubs etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The No.9 763 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Negri's lovechild said: 87/88 season he scored 42 goals. 88/89, 89/90, 90/91 he scored 18 goals in each of those seasons, before his leg break and before his mid 30s. I could be remembering wrong but I’m sure in most of those seasons Johnson and Hateley were picked over him it was only once Walter took over Ally started being more the first choice Jimfanciesthedude and HG5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The No.9 763 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said: Its 8 out of 16 seasons, not 11. Also at least 2 were when we were out the top division. I just recounted again and got 10 seasons this time lol from FBref. Still I think it shows it possible plus a few of those seasons had more than one on 20 or people scoring around 18 etc. Ironically some of the lower scoring seasons for their strikers seem to be last year and the latter half of Rodgers time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 37,621 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Beale on the post-show saying he wants Jack and Kent to stay, but wouldn’t say that about Morelos. Said he needs to see more from him at the training ground and during games. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 49 minutes ago, The No.9 said: I just recounted again and got 10 seasons this time lol from FBref. Still I think it shows it possible plus a few of those seasons had more than one on 20 or people scoring around 18 etc. Ironically some of the lower scoring seasons for their strikers seem to be last year and the latter half of Rodgers time. So how many of those have done it consistently over several seasons? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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