The confidence in Michael Beale

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1 hour ago, Blacky Bear said:

They are not that good. We are a match. Would suggest we are slightly better technically.

This aside from bottling and being too loyal to deadood at Hampden games and shambolic defending from a shitbag Croatian at these and house of bum blasting and shame.

They are good. They just scored 114 goals in a domestic season. And they have better technical players in midfield and up top.

But we’re moving in the right direction and hopefully Beale can unearth 3-4 real quality players before the window ends and next season is anyone’s. 

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1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Do you think Gerrard would have been allowed to remain in charge indefinitely had he failed to stop them winning 10?

They don't outspend us to that degree now. Our wagebill last year was 55m, Celtic's was 59m. Last summer we spent c15m on signings, Celtic spent c25m.

Where are these several 10s of millions they are outspending us by?

I think if Gerrard had got 108 points in the league then yes, I think he would have been able to stay, even if they won 10 in a row.

So Celtic outspend us by £14m last year in terms of footballing wages and fees.

Assuming the rumours are true and Rogers has been promised a far bigger transfer kitty this year, then that could easily expand to £20m or more.

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30 minutes ago, AGM_72 said:

His job is to beat Celtic to the league title every season. If he doesn't achieve that, regardless of budget imbalances or how close it turns out to be, he will get sacked - and rightfully so, it's his remit to win trophies. 

Nope.

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3 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Nope.

It is. There’s a reason GVB was sacked months after winning a trophy (which Beale couldn’t) and getting to only our 5th Euro final ever, and was ridiculously unlucky not to win, it’s because he lost the league.

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2 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

It is. There’s a reason GVB was sacked months after winning a trophy (which Beale couldn’t) and getting to only our 5 Euro final ever, and was ridiculously unlucky not to win, it’s because he lost the league.

Gvb rode Beales coattails 

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1 minute ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

I think if Gerrard had got 108 points in the league then yes, I think he would have been able to stay, even if they won 10 in a row.

So Celtic outspend us by £14m last year in terms of footballing wages and fees.

Assuming the rumours are true and Rogers has been promised a far bigger transfer kitty this year, then that could easily expand to £20m or more.

So if Gerrard had gotten a record points total but still wound up a loser he'd have been kept in charge indefinitetly

14million isn't several 10s of millions more.

 

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4 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Nope.

Why did Gio get sacked?

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2 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

It is. There’s a reason GVB was sacked months after winning a trophy (which Beale couldn’t) and getting to only our 5 Euro final ever, and was ridiculously unlucky not to win, it’s because he lost the league.

If you look at it now with a cool head gio was quite unlucky to be sacked but shows how important the league is.

Beale has been 4/10 so far, slightly improved performances and results in league but failed his main task of winning cups one of which he started in semi final. Evidence suggests we probably would of won a cup with gio.

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2 minutes ago, born a blue nose said:

Gvb rode Beales coattails 

I will not bite at that

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Just now, ForeverAndEver said:

It is. There’s a reason GVB was sacked months after winning a trophy (which Beale couldn’t) and getting to only our 5 Euro final ever, and was ridiculously unlucky not to win, it’s because he lost the league.

Nope, its because we were playing honking and shipping points to the dross.

If we had lost the league on goal difference, playing really well and Gio had the credit from nearly winning a Euro trophy, he would still have been in a job.

Like I say, being competitive against them, whilst beating the dross consistently is what is expected.

If they happen to be on blinding form matching us and edging us at the end with a far bigger budget, but we are showing signs of improvement, then the manager would get extra time.

If however the team stagnates, or regresses, we get a humbling and quick euro exit, ship points to the dross of the league and gets a complete showing up in the games against them, then it would be curtains.

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Just now, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Nope, its because we were playing honking and shipping points to the dross.

If we had lost the league on goal difference, playing really well and Gio had the credit from nearly winning a Euro trophy, he would still have been in a job.

Like I say, being competitive against them, whilst beating the dross consistently is what is expected.

If they happen to be on blinding form matching us and edging us at the end with a far bigger budget, but we are showing signs of improvement, then the manager would get extra time.

If however the team stagnates, or regresses, we get a humbling and quick euro exit, ship points to the dross of the league and gets a complete showing up in the games against them, then it would be curtains.

Which loses the leaguw

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6 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

It is. There’s a reason GVB was sacked months after winning a trophy (which Beale couldn’t) and getting to only our 5 Euro final ever, and was ridiculously unlucky not to win, it’s because he lost the league.

Yeah a bit of that and you have to factor in the things insiders at the club can see that we can't.

If Gio had had a shite record in the league but everything else seemed to be working, there's a chance he might have been kept. He wasn't because he'd lost it, the wheels had come off. Dressing room and the league.

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2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

So if Gerrard had gotten a record points total but still wound up a loser he'd have been kept in charge indefinitetly

14million isn't several 10s of millions more.

 

He would not have been sacked on the basis of the season. If he repeated it the next year losing the league on GD again, he still probably wouldnt have been sacked.

I know £14m isnt 10s of millions more. £20m would be though, and we are discussing the upcoming season, and reasons why Beale would be excused for narrowly losing the league. Them record spending would be taken into account. Its not too hard to follow.

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5 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Why did Gio get sacked?

For getting utterly embarrassed in multiple games, and underperforming in games we should have won with the team massively regressing.

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1 minute ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

He would not have been sacked on the basis of the season. If he repeated it the next year losing the league on GD again, he still probably wouldnt have been sacked.

I know £14m isnt 10s of millions more. £20m would be though, and we are discussing the upcoming season, and reasons why Beale would be excused for narrowly losing the league. Them record spending would be taken into account. Its not too hard to follow.

And if he repeated it a third year? Think we'd keep backing failure?

So when you said Celtic are outspending us by several tens of millions it was, in fact, not several tens of millions.

 

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4 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Which loses the leaguw

You can lose the league through dropping points to the guff.

You could also lose the league beating every team but them and landing a record points total.

Im arguing that the manner in losing the league counts. If you get pumped by cunts like Livy and Aberdeen whilst getting a showing up in the old firms, then its grounds for getting sacked.

If you however play very well, dropping virtually no points and going toe to toe with a higher spending team, then it would not be grounds for dismissal.

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2 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

You can lose the league through dropping points to the guff.

You could also lose the league beating every team but them and landing a record points total.

Im arguing that the manner in losing the league counts. If you get pumped by cunts like Livy and Aberdeen whilst getting a showing up in the old firms, then its grounds for getting sacked.

If you however play very well, dropping virtually no points and going toe to toe with a higher spending team, then it would not be grounds for dismissal.

It would if you walk out of the season without winning the league

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Just now, The Dude said:

And if he repeated it a third year? Think we'd keep backing failure?

So when you said Celtic are outspending us by several tens of millions it was, in fact, not several tens of millions.

 

Yes. Yes you do.

You dont sack someone who dropped 6 points in a year and was unbeaten for 3 years.

Beale would have probably left to take over from Klopp with that kinda record by then which makes the point a bit moot.

I didnt say that Celtic are currently outspending us by several tens of millions a year. I said that if over the next couple of years they happen to, but Beale still runs them very close then it should be taken into account.

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3 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

It would if you walk out of the season without winning the league

Good for you.

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8 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

For getting utterly embarrassed in multiple games, and underperforming in games we should have won with the team massively regressing.

He wasn’t sacked because we were fucked in the Champions League. He was sacked because he’d fucked the league by November. 

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Just now, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Yes. Yes you do.

You dont sack someone who dropped 6 points in a year and was unbeaten for 3 years.

Beale would have probably left to take over from Klopp with that kinda record by then which makes the point a bit moot.

I didnt say that Celtic are currently outspending us by several tens of millions a year. I said that if over the next couple of years they happen to, but Beale still runs them very close then it should be taken into account.

You don’t sack a manager who has watched Celtic win three successive titles? 

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Just now, The Dude said:

He wasn’t sacked because we were fucked in the Champions League. He was sacked because he’d fucked the league by November. 

By regressing the team, and shipping points to the dross...

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3 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

Good for you.

 

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

You don’t sack a manager who has watched Celtic win three successive titles? 

Not if he hasnt lost a single game in 3 years and got the best winning rate of any Rangers manager in history.

What manager do you realistically think we could attract to improve on those kinds of results?

You keep your manager and hope that someone takes their manager, or their unreal form drops.

You absolutely do not sack a manager who would obviously be one of the highest performing managers in world football to replace him with Jim Goodwin.

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1 minute ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

By regressing the team, and shipping points to the dross...

We’ve ALWAYS dropped points to dross. We’ll continue to drop points to dross. As long as we win the title, they get away with it. Fail to win the title repeatedly and it’s P45 time. You’ve watched us long enough to understand this. In Scottish football finishing second is as good as last