Not the same since Gerrard

[Rangers_no1 34,418]

2 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

and the expensive squad he built was the catalyst for the state we are in the now

Agree with the rest of your post but not sure this is the case at all.

[Gaffbear 4,172]

If we invested properly after 55 that mob would be miles behind . 

We've regressed so badly it's heartbreaking 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,510]

9 hours ago, .Williamson. said:

We were absolutely shite under Gerrard just before he left and the 55 season aside we were serial bottlers under him constantly 

Even in the 55 season we should have won a treble with ease but we bottled the 2 cups. 

We haven’t been a force since Walter

Fuck Borna too btw. His performances at parkhead will live in my nightmares until the day I die 

Absolutely no chance we were winning the league the year he left as well, the minute that tarrier team hit its stride our lot would have fucking bricked it

Had covid not shut us down, i think he'd have been off after the Ibrox OF game that we'd likely have fucking bottled against them too

[.Williamson. 87,116]

1 minute ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Absolutely no chance we were winning the league the year he left as well, the minute that tarrier team hit its stride our lot would have fucking bricked it

Had covid not shut us down, i think he'd have been off after the Ibrox OF game that we'd likely have fucking bottled against them too

We were on the verge of dropping out of Europe before he left aswell. Our run to the final didn’t happen if Gio hadn’t came in. Our football under Gerrard at the end was death 

That interview from Barisic is typical of everything wrong with our team in recent years. Look to blame everyone else for the fact they bottled every fucking thing 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,510]

9 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Agree with the rest of your post but not sure this is the case at all.

We cant get rid of them, scott wright for example, goldson (although he was resigned, but arguably not good enough) roofe swallowing up wages all last season, helander tanking a fair bit of wages and leaving for heehaw, lundstrams wages but offering very little over a season, barisic being shite 

Managers after him havent been much better recruitment wise either, but when you think how much he spent, we got very little in return and it cost us over a period lf time

Everyone wanted gio to do a rebuild after seville, was clear the team werent good enough for the league, but we couldnt as no one wanted them bar aribo and bassey and they were sucking aan enormous wage out of the club

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,510]

1 minute ago, .Williamson. said:

We were on the verge of dropping out of Europe before he left aswell. Our run to the final didn’t happen if Gio hadn’t came in. Our football under Gerrard at the end was death 

That interview from Barisic is typical of everything wrong with our team in recent years. Look to blame everyone else for the fact they bottled every fucking thing 

Yup, before he left, gerrard had the easiest 13 games ive ever seen a Rangers manager get at the start of a season with a settled squad, no piggery, no tynecastle, no pittodrie, no Easter road, no Livingston, the toughest away match was dundee united (we lost) and our home record was fucking howling before he left

Gio wasnt the long term answer for various reasons partly his own, partly the clubs, but he at least gave us a trophy and a euro final that season, we'd have ended with nowt had gerrard stayed

[Moody Blue 9,970]

Whilst Gerrard clearly delivered 55 and the team looked possessed that season (league) he was a baw hair away from the sack the season before and the Covid shutdown saved him. Similarly, he should have won the treble that season but screwed that up. He’d been backed by the board that season and they were completely right in saying you need to sell before you can buy that summer. He should have shown leadership and the will to win that he spoke about by moving some on and bringing in fresh blood but instead he threw the rattle….. then jumped when he knew he’d fucked it and the team ran out of steam. 

Perhaps a figurehead has been post at the club, I take the comments more that not all is well in the club, something we all suspect 

[BlueSuedeSambas 56,274]

12 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

We cant get rid of them, scott wright for example, goldson (although he was resigned, but arguably not good enough) roofe swallowing up wages all last season, helander tanking a fair bit of wages and leaving for heehaw, lundstrams wages but offering very little over a season, barisic being shite 

Managers after him havent been much better recruitment wise either, but when you think how much he spent, we got very little in return and it cost us over a period lf time

Everyone wanted gio to do a rebuild after seville, was clear the team werent good enough for the league, but we couldnt as no one wanted them bar aribo and bassey and they were sucking aan enormous wage out of the club

 

We brought in close to 40 million for Aribo, Kamara, Bassey & Patterson who were all brought into the club, or the first team, by Gerrard for a total outlay of what, £400,000?

Our wage bill is massive but Goldson, Hagi and Tavernier signed new deals after Gerrard left the club and Davies, Lawrence, Dowell, Matondo, Lammers and Dessers all signed after Gerrard left. That’s probably close to £200,000 a week right away.

Absolutely mental to lay the blame for the mess we are in now on Gerrard when he left almost three years ago, there’s been five transfer windows since he left and we only have about three players left at the club who he signed.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,510]

2 minutes ago, Moody Blue said:

Whilst Gerrard clearly delivered 55 and the team looked possessed that season (league) he was a baw hair away from the sack the season before and the Covid shutdown saved him. Similarly, he should have won the treble that season but screwed that up. He’d been backed by the board that season and they were completely right in saying you need to sell before you can buy that summer. He should have shown leadership and the will to win that he spoke about by moving some on and bringing in fresh blood but instead he threw the rattle….. then jumped when he knew he’d fucked it and the team ran out of steam. 

Perhaps a figurehead has been post at the club, I take the comments more that not all is well in the club, something we all suspect 

Could argue not all is well because we have a squad made up of players signed by a manager from 5 manager appointments ago, theres no cohesion, players know they aren't wanted while some do, the rumoured cliques etc might be lesser numbers now and feeling vulnerable 

Hate repeating this but the tarriers lost one title in a decade, and they pretty much wiped the slate clean that summer bar a couple of players kept to provide a base for the new manager 

We should have done ours the summer of gio, we didnt, we should never have signed beale and let him get in with his old pals in the team again, we did, 

 

[OrangeRab 3,360]

25 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

He might have had higher standards but in the grand scheme of things he was still being schooled by the likes of mccinnes and Clarke for two of his 3 seasons here

The fact we are still trying to shift some of gerrards era to do a rebuild says it all, overall his era was a complete under achievement and the expensive squad he built was the catalyst for the state we are in the now

He spent about 30 million on players and we’ve sold players signed under him for about 10million more than that.

Thats before considering we missed out on fees for the likes of Kent and Morelos and ignoring the Patterson fee.

I don’t think it’s fair at all to label Gerrard’s spell as a financial failure or blame our recent failures.

The failure really came after 55 and every window since. 

A total scatter gun, short sighted approach to signings. Not moving on players we should have. Shit loan deals etc etc. All that good stuff.

Gio and Beale both spent 15 each and we’ll be lucky to see 5 back from that 30.

The majority of our shite squad and big wages has been assembled since Gerrard left. 

If we’d found a proper manager like Clement after Gerrard. We could have done a proper rebuild and arguably only missed out on one league title.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,510]

1 minute ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

We brought in close to 40 million for Aribo, Kamara, Bassey & Patterson who were all brought into the club, or the first team, by Gerrard for a total outlay of what, £400,000?

Our wage bill is massive but Goldson, Hagi and Tavernier signed new deals after Gerrard left the club and Davies, Lawrence, Dowell, Matondo, Lammers and Dessers all signed after Gerrard left.

Absolutely mental to lay the blame for the mess we are in now on Gerrard when he left almost three years ago, there’s been five transfer windows since he left and we only have about three players left at the club who he signed.

Bassey only got that money due to gio coming in, absolutely no chance we got that 

And i never laid the blame solely on him, i said it was the catalyst, we could never do a proper rebuild because we had too many big wage players stinking the place out, gio, beale (although he made things worse) and clement have all been stung by having a squad full of players no one wants, on big wages, while trying to add their own to it

 

[OrangeRab 3,360]

8 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Could argue not all is well because we have a squad made up of players signed by a manager from 5 manager appointments ago, theres no cohesion, players know they aren't wanted while some do, the rumoured cliques etc might be lesser numbers now and feeling vulnerable 

Hate repeating this but the tarriers lost one title in a decade, and they pretty much wiped the slate clean that summer bar a couple of players kept to provide a base for the new manager 

We should have done ours the summer of gio, we didnt, we should never have signed beale and let him get in with his old pals in the team again, we did, 

 

Agree with that but you’re absolving Gio of all blame. What we needed after Gerrard was another manager who was going to come in and basically take over all aspects of the club.

Really convince the board of the vision that the place needed gutted. And present a vision as to why they should back him and then execute it. 

The board deserve a lot of blame but Gio was not what we needed. And well nothing needs said about Beale

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,510]

Just now, OrangeRab said:

He spent about 30 million on players and we’ve sold players signed under him for about 10million more than that.

Thats before considering we missed out on fees for the likes of Kent and Morelos and ignoring the Patterson fee.

I don’t think it’s fair at all to label Gerrard’s spell as a financial failure or blame our recent failures.

The failure really came after 55 and every window since. 

A total scatter gun, short sighted approach to signings. Not moving on players we should have. Shit loan deals etc etc. All that good stuff.

Gio and Beale both spent 15 each and we’ll be lucky to see 5 back from that 30.

The majority of our shite squad and big wages has been assembled since Gerrard left. 

If we’d found a proper manager like Clement after Gerrard. We could have done a proper rebuild and arguably only missed out on one league title.

Gerrard was allowed to build a massive loss making squad and in the first two seasons delivered nothing, the squad was that good that after a undefeated league season absolutely no one wanted our players, meanwhile the tarriers lost the ten and sold 2 players for over 25mill quid 

His era of big wages to guys like goldson, tav, lundstram, roofe etc was the catalyst of us being scattergun like and reckless, once your first team players are on the wages the likes of lundstram etc were getting likely most new signing would want the same, 

His first two seasons we lost over 50mill combined iirc (or very close to it)

[BlueSuedeSambas 56,274]

1 minute ago, OrangeRab said:

Agree with that but you’re absolving Gio of all blame. What we needed after Gerrard was another manager who was going to come in and basically take over all aspects of the club.

Really convince the board of the vision that the place needed gutted. And present a vision as to why they should back him and then execute it. 

The board deserve a lot of blame but Gio was not what we needed. And well nothing needs said about Beale

Jim has done this blame game for years tbh. Gerrard gets the blame for everything that happened at the club under his watch (and seemingly everything that happened afterwards too) whereas nothing Gio did was his fault or down to his poor management or decisions.

[J-Maestro 13,799]

29 minutes ago, .Williamson. said:

We were on the verge of dropping out of Europe before he left aswell. Our run to the final didn’t happen if Gio hadn’t came in. Our football under Gerrard at the end was death 

That interview from Barisic is typical of everything wrong with our team in recent years. Look to blame everyone else for the fact they bottled every fucking thing 

Honestly, this is what they’ll all be coming out with when they leave. 

Looks like Clement is the first manager who isn’t going to suffer their shite excuses and wants them all out.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,510]

2 minutes ago, OrangeRab said:

Agree with that but you’re absolving Gio of all blame. What we needed after Gerrard was another manager who was going to come in and basically take over all aspects of the club.

Really convince the board of the vision that the place needed gutted. And present a vision as to why they should back him and then execute it. 

The board deserve a lot of blame but Gio was not what we needed. And well nothing needs said about Beale

Not absolving gio, doubt if he could have but even if he could have convinced them, who's to say they'd have moved, hell wrights still stinking the place out now nevermind 2 years ago when he was younger lol

[BlueSuedeSambas 56,274]

9 minutes ago, Jimfanciesthedude said:

Bassey only got that money due to gio coming in, absolutely no chance we got that 

And i never laid the blame solely on him, i said it was the catalyst, we could never do a proper rebuild because we had too many big wage players stinking the place out, gio, beale (although he made things worse) and clement have all been stung by having a squad full of players no one wants, on big wages, while trying to add their own to it

 

When Gerrard left Tav, Borna, Kamara, Lundstram, Hagi, Kent & Morelos were all under contract, sellable assets who could have been sold for tens of millions more than we spent on them.

The investment we made in them under Gerrard isn’t what has fucked us, the failure to sell any of them when their stock was at its highest is, and although Gerrard fought to keep the squad together after 55 (what manager wouldn’t) the blame for the poor squad management doesn’t lay at the door of Steven Gerrard to the degree you are making it out to.

[steven33jackie 2,014]

Gerrard had a great degree of backing from the board. Probably the best of all managers in a very long time. Reality is under him we won one league and in a season where we were undefeated in the league, managed to be eliminated from both cups by St Mirren and St Johnstone. Fact that we fall flat on our faces in the last quarter of every season bar one says more about the mentality of the players than some so called the atmosphere or feeling around the club. 

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,247]

He got chased by a scum player calling him a shitebag.  He didn't find an opportunity to 'resolve' that on the park in a leg breaking challenge. He didnt even look for the opportunity, his head was gone because he IS a shitebag. The sooner he moves on from even associating with us completely the better.

[Kents_Hook 1,689]

10 hours ago, .Williamson. said:

Fuck Borna too btw. His performances at parkhead will live in my nightmares until the day I die

wait until Jefté starts against them.....jesus christ

[KeyserSoze 15,165]

I’ve been thinking about the tramps and how they manage.  The only difference is 10k more seats revenue wise.
However I think it’s because we’re in a losing loop. We need CL money to buy better players. Without better players we can’t win the league ergo no CL money 

The tramps have £40m just about every season from CL, even though they constantly embarrass themselves. 

We need to win the league with the shite players but with fantastic tactics.  
If we do it this season Clement should be given the job forever and ever. 

[DrLaudrup 5,037]

Others have touched on it but I think perspective is important. The only real success he's had in his career is under Gerrard and he's seen the club regress since then. Although Gerrard was running out of steam at the end, there is no doubt we dropped the ball criminally after 55 so he has a point. Compare that to us supporters who've seen 9IAR, consistent periods of success in all national trophies etc. His idea of success is very different from ours, and maybe that is part of the issue with this cohort of players. For them occasional success is something. For us only constant success is enough. Some players are all over social media because  they made a good pass or won a match. We don't want Rangers players celebrating individual milestones. We want collective and sustained success. Gerrard brought a lot of professionalism and standards back to the club that had slipped away. Aside from Beale though, I don't think Gio or Clement lack professionalism. The current slide is on the board and nobody else. 

[Madina 4,225]

"Just want Gerrard back and a bag of cans" vibes from Borna. An absolute disgrace of a player at times. 

Gerrard will always be a hero for winning us 55 and stopping their mythical 10IAR, but we were piss poor under him as well. The grand total of one trophy in his time with us whilst the "mighty" St Johnstone managed the two cups. Our cup record was stinking under Gerrard

[RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,509]

Just now, Madina said:

"Just want Gerrard back and a bag of cans" vibes from Borna. An absolute disgrace of a player at times. 

Gerrard will always be a hero for winning us 55 and stopping their mythical 10IAR, but we were piss poor under him as well. The grand total of one trophy in his time with us whilst the "mighty" St Johnstone managed the two cups. Our cup record was stinking under Gerrard

I think the one trophy thing does hinder him but he inherited a team that was getting fucked left right and centre v the taigs. 

He instilled a belief into the team but like other managers certain regulars that he wouldn't drop cost him in games.

He was defo away imo in the season that COVID stopped but he and the team apparently had a big sit down and they all believed that we could beat the taigs to the title.

Now? We are back to almost being beat before a ball is kicked. There's been fuck all in the last ,4 they've won 3 and drawn 1

[SeparateEntityMyArse 55,247]

1 hour ago, KeyserSoze said:

I’ve been thinking about the tramps and how they manage.  The only difference is 10k more seats revenue wise.
However I think it’s because we’re in a losing loop. We need CL money to buy better players. Without better players we can’t win the league ergo no CL money 

The tramps have £40m just about every season from CL, even though they constantly embarrass themselves. 

We need to win the league with the shite players but with fantastic tactics.  
If we do it this season Clement should be given the job forever and ever. 

They buy players in the 2-6 million quid bracket and make 10 to 20 million on a good few of them.

They move on quickly the vast majority of the ones who aren't going to value add.

We let contracts run down and keep our shittiest players on huge wages