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    The Penalty Given Against Goldson

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

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    The handball rule has always been contentious, event the old 'deliberate' rule was open to interpretation and abuse.

    The current wording includes "a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation" which leaves it wide open to the officials in making a decision.

    Perhaps the suggestion below would deal with most of the ambiguity in the vast majority of cases.

    If it strikes your arm from the elbow down its a penalty regardless of whether its from a deflection/unintended or not and if defenders deliberately start using there upper arm to stop shots then so be it: at least we would see more consistent decisions. In addition, if the upper arm is above shoulder height and the ball strikes it then its a penalty. (ie in an unnatural position: very few defenders raise their upper arms well above their shoulders to get leverage and if they happen to do so it is for a split second well before the ball has arrived for striking).

    Penalties for and against would still balance out over a season but at least there would be much more clarity for officials to base their decisions.

    Anything that removes 'thinking' from a referee is a positive, unlike the current shit show where they are meant to account for last second deflections, whether its struck below the arbitrary cuff of the short sleeve,  unnatural body positioning etc.

    Plus an elbow is a lot easier to identify in live time or VAR playback (even when the arm is straight) and excluding the upper arm means defenders don't have the same need to tuck their arms behind their back and can use their arms as leverage when jumping.

    If it does hit below their elbow and its a penalty then so be it , at least its struck the part of the arm which is generally furthest away from the torso or head.  

    Still leaves a grey area, when the ball strikes the lower arm when its folded in line with upper arm etc but the handball rule is never going to be perfect, its about getting getting rid of as much ambiguity as possible.

    Goldson would still have conceded a penalty mind you :)

    Tav's time is up.

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    21 hours ago, Jamie0202 said:

    Honestly get this thread in the bin. Take him and his goals out the team and the scum would have won the league by now.

    I’m not his biggest fan as he ain’t that good a defender but from purely a goals/assists stats perspective I doubt he’s cost us more points in the SPFL than he’s earned this season.

    Perhaps someone with a better memory than me can point to his defensive mistakes that has directly led to goals against in the SPFL that altered the result (I’ve only noted the cock up today which in effect cancels out his goal).

    By my reckoning (see attached)  his goals have won/salvaged us 8 points this season and his assists have probably contributed towards another 5 points (assuming nobody else would have created assists in the absence of Tav’s efforts).

    EDIT: The only mistake of Tav’s this season which has actually cost us points is the where it ricocheted off Maeda.

    So, Tav’s nett worth to the team in terms of points are earned as a direct result of his actions  is between +6 and +11 this season.

     

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    Sterling, Diomande, Sima

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Southsider said:

    Hard to differentiate that formation from a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 (which is what we actually play), though, isn't it?

    To be honest, unless you are advocating Sterling playing in a more central position, it doesn't matter whether you want to call it a wide midfield position or a wide forward position - it's the same thing, depending on where the ball is at the time

    Agreed. The point I was called out on,  and why I was explaining myself is that it is not unreasonable to say Sterling would be classed as a midfielder as he’s not a striker nor a defender. 
     

    indeed, with the 4-2-3-1 set up he would undoubtably be classed a midfielder (and a defensive one at that).

    Sterling, Diomande, Sima

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

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    10 hours ago, .Williamson. said:

    Sterling wouldn’t actually be in midfield there though 

    Always the smart arse, eh?

    He wouldn’t be in defence, or upfront. Nor would he be playing in goal so that leaves the middle third of the pitch most commonly referred to as the ‘midfield’.

    Id have Sterling playing in a 451 formation.

    ‘What is your definition of a 4-5-1 formation?” I here you ask.

    “The 4-5-1 formation has a back line of four defenders – two centre-backs and two full-backs. Ahead, five players comprise the MIDFIELD unit, with three central MIDFIELDERS and two wider MIDFIELDERS. A lone centre-forward operates as the highest player in the structure”.

    In other words, Sterling would actually be playing in MIDFIELD, maybe not central but certainly in the MID section of the FIELD for the majority of the game. Hence my assertion that he would be playing in MIDFIELD.

    its not really that hard to grasp is it?

    And before you try claiming Sterling would be deployed as a winger, “the terms winger or wide player refer to a non-defender who plays on the left or right sides of the pitch. These terms can apply to left or right MIDFIELDERS, left or right attacking MIDFIELDERS, or left or right forwards”.

    Sterling, Diomande, Sima

    in Jimmy Bell's Kitroom

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, .Williamson. said:

    You’re looking to play Sterling, Lundstram and Diomande in midfield?

    yep.

     

    Tav, Goldson, Souttar, Yilmaz (if fit)

    Lundstram

    Sterling, Diomande, Cantwell, Silva*

    Dessers

    (*possibly Lawrence instead of Silva and bring on Sima and Silva/Lawrence as the game  progresses)

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