elephants stoned 2,994 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Maybe he would, if so many weren't calling for him to be sacked if the youngsters under perform and we drop some points.Ive never once heard calls at a game for Allys head, if you mean the forum loyal nobody listens to us (pretty good thing really) apart from Imran and Toxic Jack of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 But the youngsters here just ain't good enoughTo provide back up at part time level?Believe me I gave the likes of Kal Naismith plenty of stick as well but I can't quite agree with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 You brought up Hearts.....who remain rock bottom...they've maybe gained a point on Killie?They would be second bottom without the deduction.I'm fairly certain they've got beaten by every lower league team they've played.If that's an example....you're on a shoogly peg.I didnt bring up Hearts - someone else did - I just pointed out they are playing a higher standard of opposition every week than we are. Furthermore they have being forced into playing youngsters who are clearly not ready to cut it at that level.Thats different from finding a right balance with the emphasis on developing young players as a nucleus for the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topgoalie 637 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 You win nothing with youngsters....ask Alan Hansen.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,936 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 To provide back up at part time level?Believe me I gave the likes of Kal Naismith plenty of stick as well but I can't quite agree with that.Naismith and his wee fucking rat pal are everything that's wrong at the club and with the level of youth coming thorugh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyBlue 2,278 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hertz are in semi-finals of league cup!!!!So?Have you actually seen their results?They've won 2 cup games.....taken a hiding in the league and are certs to be relegated.Even without their deduction they'd be second bottom.Some team eh? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyBlue 2,278 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I didnt bring up Hearts - someone else did - I just pointed out they are playing a higher standard of opposition every week than we are. Furthermore they have being forced into playing youngsters who are clearly not ready to cut it at that level.Thats different from finding a right balance with the emphasis on developing young players as a nucleus for the future.I disgaree but I guess we'll find out next season.When we crush them for the title you can buy me a cider and black. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 STB he never threw cash at it, he was allocated a budget and I don't know if he spent it all but the CEO gave him it and backed him.Ally and Mather deserve credit for what they delivered IMOI think he did to an extent tbh mate, again considering the level we're at (i know I'm like a broken record mentioning this). I like some of what was delivered, some i just don't think was necessary especially if we can't really afford it.Ally will spend what he's given and he can't be blamed for that, but he at least put some pressure on where signing players was concerned, sounds like that was partly why he and Green stopped getting on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,936 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I disgaree but I guess we'll find out next season.When we crush them for the title you can buy me a cider and black.Maybe make that a flavoured water if you're posting on rm that night Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,923 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 So?Have you actually seen their results?They've won 2 cup games.....taken a hiding in the league and are certs to be relegated.Even without their deduction they'd be second bottom.Some team eh?I've seen their results. You said they got beat off any lower league club they've met ::They're playing just now with virtually an under 21 team and won at pittodrie and beat Hibs twice.Could our under 21's get results like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I'm not denying that but the op specifically named McKay and aird, I don't believe these two will ever make itThats what we should be finding out now when the pressures off, i know Forfar and Brechin are not CL type games and we will only find out how they cope in the spl or Europe when we get their but i believe they stand a much better chance if they have a couple of seasons of first team football under their belts and have learned the mentality of being a Rangers player which everybody accepts is a vital part of making it at Ibrox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyBlue 2,278 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Here's how the mighty Hearts youths have done: Scottish Premiership4 August 2013[64] St. Johnstone 1 – 0 Heart of Midlothian McDiarmid Park [show] Scottish Premiership11 August 2013 Heart of Midlothian 1 – 0 Hibernian Tynecastle Stadium [show] Scottish Premiership16 August 2013 Partick Thistle 1 – 1 Heart of Midlothian Firhill Stadium [show] Scottish Premiership24 August 2013 Heart of Midlothian 2 – 1 Aberdeen Tynecastle Stadium [show] Scottish Premiership31 August 2013 Inverness Caledonian Thistle 2 – 0 Heart of Midlothian Caledonian Stadium [show] Scottish Premiership14 September 2013 Heart of Midlothian 1 – 3 Celtic Tynecastle Stadium [show] Scottish Premiership21 September 2013 Ross County 2 – 1 Heart of Midlothian Victoria Park [show] Scottish Premiership28 September 2013 Heart of Midlothian 0 – 0 Dundee United Tynecastle Stadium [show] Scottish Premiership5 October 2013 Heart of Midlothian 0 – 2 St. Mirren Tynecastle Stadium [show] Scottish Premiership19 October 2013 Motherwell 2 – 1 Heart of Midlothian Fir Park [show] Scottish Premiership26 October 2013 Kilmarnock 2 – 0 Heart of Midlothian Rugby Park [show] Scottish Premiership2 November 2013 Heart of Midlothian 0 – 2 St. Johnstone Tynecastle Stadium [show] Scottish Premiership9 November 2013 Aberdeen 1 – 3 Heart of Midlothian Pittodrie Great eh?And you hold THAT up as an example? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,936 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I've seen their results. You said they got beat off any lower league club they've met ::They're playing just now with virtually an under 21 team and won at pittodrie and beat Hibs twice.Could our under 21's get results like that?TBf Aberdeen went down to 10 men and macdonald produced one of the best goalkeeping displays I've seen In a long time against hibs Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I disgaree but I guess we'll find out next season.When we crush them for the title you can buy me a cider and black.Bollox to that - we will be celebrating with champagne ! (My shout !) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Naismith and his wee fucking rat pal are everything that's wrong at the club and with the level of youth coming thorughAbsolutely, was just mentioning him to emphasise i don't have some dreary eyed view about our youngsters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 108,936 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Absolutely, was just mentioning him to emphasise i don't have some dreary eyed view about our youngsters.No what else mate?FTP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Macleod is the rule, not the exception. If they are good enough, and possess the attitude and desire to improve, they will play. but as support we still have to develop the patience to see the hiccups such as Forfar as part of the learning curve rather than an unmitigated disaster - if we are to genuinely allow youth to flourishSpot on.Until the majority of the support will accept failures and embarrassments to allow young players the learning curve it's pointless criticising the management on this subject. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 No what else mate?FTPWe can all agree with this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyBlue 2,278 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Bollox to that - we will be celebrating with champagne ! (My shout !)I'll hold you to that. For I've no doubt.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluenose1972 1,405 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Real life isn't as simple as Football Manager.Yeah the Dutch have a horrible system...No way on earth should we copy them. Scotland has always had the best system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Manticore* 1,893 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Ive never once heard calls at a game for Allys head, if you mean the forum loyal nobody listens to us (pretty good thing really) apart from Imran and Toxic Jack of course.It's just one of those things you hear on the interweb from supposed bears but rarely if ever hear from people at games - ie from people who are bears.Like disliking loyalist songs etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingWilBEARy 4,319 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Yeah the Dutch have a horrible system...No way on earth should we copy them. Scotland has always had the best system.Sorry......what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Sorry......what?TWBI suspect your sarcasm radar is broke ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyBlue 2,278 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I've seen their results.You said they got beat off any lower league club they've metThey're playing just now with virtually an under 21 team and won at pittodrie and beat Hibs twice.Could our under 21's get results like that?They've 4 players over 21.And to answer your point....yes, I think our under 21's would be equally as shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 73,923 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hertz, Dundee United etc have young lads performing and performing well in the top league. Macleod apart our youths aren't good enough to get a game in second division.Until we get rid of Sinclair and install a new ethos at youth level, we'll always be behind these teams in terms of producing talent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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