JamieG54 812 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If we hadnt went into admin, would we have been in a different position in terms of our support for Ally?He was 12/13 clear at xmas and we blew it in the spl but behind the scenes things were going on that could have affected our players.If admin hadn't have come would we have won the league? Ally did prove he could win big games v celtic. Despite the close 3-2 and 4-2 scorelines we absolutely destroyed the tims on both occasions at home.If we had lost the league would we have given him a chance for a second season? Hard to say but are we penalising Ally because we expect too much? The play could be better of course but are we more on his back than if this was in the spl? When we went 12 clear the football was pretty shit but I dont remember complaining. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djbroxybear 660 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If we hadnt went into admin, would we have been in a different position in terms of our support for Ally?He was 12/13 clear at xmas and we blew it in the spl but behind the scenes things were going on that could have affected our players.If admin hadn't have come would we have won the league? Ally did prove he could win big games v celtic. Despite the close 3-2 and 4-2 scorelines we absolutely destroyed the tims on both occasions at home.If we had lost the league would we have given him a chance for a second season? Hard to say but are we penalising Ally because we expect too much? The play could be better of course but are we more on his back than if this was in the spl? When we went 12 clear the football was pretty shit but I dont remember complaining.Sorry but what a load of utter pish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyson1872 2,923 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There's no point in judging him without admin now, what's happened has happened and he is a shite manager wanting far too much money which isn't necessary. The sooner he goes the better.Besides, Malmo and Maribor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 David Moyes of Scottish football, sooner some people see it the better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mgg 3,766 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I think the players were in pilot mode from the previous season and that's why they were winning, can't remember, but were the Tims play ng shit as well which helped us build up the lead. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Before administration, he crashed out of Europe twice to European minnows, crashed out the league cup to a 1st division team, crashed out the Scottish cup at home to Dundee Hibs and blew a 15 point lead away in two months. He should have been sacked for that alone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 13,226 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Admin saved Ally's managerial career at Rangers, and had we not been put into Admin, I think he would have been moved on if he had not won the next title, or at least showed that he had the makings of at least, a cheque book manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Before administration, he crashed out of Europe twice to European minnows, crashed out the league cup to a 1st division team, crashed out the Scottish cup at home to Dundee Hibs and blew a 15 point lead away in two months. He should have been sacked for that alone.Boom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
legalbeagle 3,734 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Impossible to know where we would have been without the turmoil of that whole season, from the ridiculous attempts to sign Goodwillie and Juhasz in the summer, the touting of Jelavic, stories about Whyte, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,831 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If we hadnt went into admin, would we have been in a different position in terms of our support for Ally?He was 12/13 clear at xmas and we blew it in the spl but behind the scenes things were going on that could have affected our players.If admin hadn't have come would we have won the league? Ally did prove he could win big games v celtic. Despite the close 3-2 and 4-2 scorelines we absolutely destroyed the tims on both occasions at home.If we had lost the league would we have given him a chance for a second season? Hard to say but are we penalising Ally because we expect too much? The play could be better of course but are we more on his back than if this was in the spl? When we went 12 clear the football was pretty shit but I dont remember complaining.Sorry Jamie but I was worried when Ally got the job. As Walter's assistant he was allowed to take some cup ties but invariably Walter had to take over mid game. Then we have the 4 Euro games which were a disaster. Losing a significant lead was woeful as it was lost before the New Year. We know that the situation could have been better but we have the 2nd highest wage bill in Scottish football. He wasn't on his own either because we probably had the highest paid football management team in the country. We haven't played well, we haven't put a structure in place, we haven't played as many youngsters as we should. We have poor tactics, we have poor signings, we have turned decent players into poor performers, our corner and free kick routines are amateurish. There comes a time when the responsibility stops with the manager and in my opinion, we have long passed that point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieG54 812 Posted April 21, 2014 Author Share Posted April 21, 2014 Impossible to know where we would have been without the turmoil of that whole season, from the ridiculous attempts to sign Goodwillie and Juhasz in the summer, the touting of Jelavic, stories about Whyte, etc.My point aswell. Ally targeted a few decent players. Whyte offered buttons to pretend we wanted them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tontospal 1,116 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Talking hypothetically, how about judging him with a normal wage bill for the third and fourth tiers of Scottish football. We'd probably still be in the fourth tier if he had been given only a million or two to spend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachothelegend 1,932 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 FFS Can't we just admit he isn't a good Manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 FFS Can't we just admit he isn't a good Manager.I am happy to agree with you, been saying it for fucking ages Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 To be honest he should never have got the job in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,847 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Sorry but what a load of utter pish. :lol: Don't know why I laughed at that so much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hilts 12,819 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 My point aswell. Ally targeted a few decent players. Whyte offered buttons to pretend we wanted them.his bid for Grant Holt was just embarrassing Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveKingLoyal 124 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 If we hadnt went into admin, would we have been in a different position in terms of our support for Ally?He was 12/13 clear at xmas and we blew it in the spl but behind the scenes things were going on that could have affected our players.If admin hadn't have come would we have won the league? Ally did prove he could win big games v celtic. Despite the close 3-2 and 4-2 scorelines we absolutely destroyed the tims on both occasions at home.If we had lost the league would we have given him a chance for a second season? Hard to say but are we penalising Ally because we expect too much? The play could be better of course but are we more on his back than if this was in the spl? When we went 12 clear the football was pretty shit but I dont remember complaining.Nowe had lost a 15 point lead and the tims were in the ascendancy.It doesn't matter about whytes shambles of bids for players.In the grand scheme of things he took a team which had won three leagues on the bounce and was humilated by such European luminaries such as Maribor and Malmo.All the admin done was cover up his ineptitude. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBluebells 6,898 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Admin is the best thing to happen to Ally, it's disguised him being an utter dud and allowed him to be our 'manager' for longer than he should.As people have posted, he had disastarous results before the excuses of admin could be used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,393 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Agree with the above.Admin saved McCoist in this job.He's a nothing manager with zero attributes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,293 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 There's no point in judging him without admin now, what's happened has happened and he is a shite manager wanting far too much money which isn't necessary. The sooner he goes the better.Besides, Malmo and Maribor.Malmo, especially, set us up for administration.It could probably have been avoided if we'd got the champions league cash that year.They were a similar standard to the teams the scum have beaten with relative comfort in the 2 years since.We still had a pretty fair squad, despite Whyte failing to deliver properly on Ally's signing targets.No reason why anyone, other than a rookie manager, shouldn't have got us through.I use the term rookie loosely - he'd only been at the club four and a half years and should have been more able than most to hit the ground running.Before anyone starts, we have no way of knowing what Whyte would have done with the money - if he'd siphoned it off, we'd have still been where we are, with total confirmation that Whyte is the crook we think he is.If he hadn't, we had a chance if getting through to the BTC result.The only certainty is that qualification would have guaranteed us the cash & it could have gone either way.Without said cash, there was only one possible outcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 I believe without admin he of been sacked after 2 seasons. Failing in the league, Europe and cups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart1994 4,354 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 He should have never got the job in the first place IMO Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HG5 11,293 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 He should have never got the job in the first place IMOThere would have been better CV's knocking around, for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NixonRFC 1,394 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 12/13 clear at Christmas? I think thats wrong pal.I'm sure by the time we lost at the Piggery at Christmas they over took us, they either did it that night or did it when we lost to St Mirren on Christmas Eve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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