Our training compared to Hearts'

[Smile 26,622]

Where did I say Smith was a failure? Puting the French buffoon in front of Ferguson...I would put Fred West ahead of ma baw Ferguson

Strange. Any other child Rapists you rate above Rangers players.

[dan_ger 1,454]

I've posted similar before. Football is evolving. Unfortunately, right now, we are not.

Mr Struth will not be impressed. We're supposed to be the gold standard but it sounds like we are very far behind.

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Let's see where we are after 30 games not 7 before we start lauding the opposition to much

[THE_Ibrox_Preacher 2,812]

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[nachothelegend 1,932]

There seems to be two schools of thought on training;

• Train everyday or almost everyday as professional athletes should be at a level where this is possible due to the level they take diet etc.
  

OR

• Train 2-3 days a week at a high level, the rest allows the body to recover and make gains superceeding those that train everyday or coming close while reducing the chances of injury dramatically.
  

Clearly the latter has been our strategy for a long time however the key to that strategy is that training must be intensive and at the peak of capabilities,...one could be forgiven for thinking this is where we fall short.

To the outsider it's simple, upping our game is a must whatever training we do, clearly diet and training are not at a level associated with professional atheletes or we wouldn't have fat boys in the team which are slow, half a yard off the pace in every move and who can't last 90 minutes. Our basics and technical elements are generally nothing short of a disgrace at this level considering the cost and resources we are enabling.

It's obvious Training/Coaching is our problem both Physically and Technically.

We've been out ran by Stirling Albion x2, Annan, Albion Rovers, Raith, Forfar, Elgin, ,Berwick, Peterheed,and others Smaller Teams.Even East Stirling and Stenny have matched us at Times.

Not to mention Brora.

[paul1964 13]

this is nothing new who remembers big jock Wallace training in he 70s players throwing up during training at the sand dunes going through there pre season

[dummiesoot 16,070]

this is nothing new who remembers big jock Wallace training in he 70s players throwing up during training at the sand dunes going through there pre season

Rangers were the fittest team in the league then, now?

[eejay the dj 31,964]

Absolutely no reason why footballers can't train twice a day. Heavier session in the morning with fitness, intensive ball work etc. Then in the afternoon with more technical work like shooting, crossing (don't see why pros don't spend one hour+ a day doing this) as well as shaping work.

In a few years I can see it being common place. None of this 2-3 hour a day training shite

I put this in the site last week that Jambos were doing this .It's not just them .It's all the best sides in Europe .Allys idea if a warm up is getting a few pints in at the OP .The guy is a disaster and genuinely holding us back .In fact he is now taking all the headlines amongst our fan base where we should be focusing on the corruption that's went on over at Scumdome .Also the side show that is our present board that can't or won't seriously communicate with its own fan base .Its one big fucking abortion .All while the beggars are in their worst position for years

[eejay the dj 31,964]

Let's see where we are after 30 games not 7 before we start lauding the opposition to much

Can you never just see a fault .Your record is like an old 45 with scratches on it .Sadly the needle is stuck and it's time to change the tune

[harlands plater 17,015]

Rangers were the fittest team in the league then, now?

Thinking back to those days, we did finish games strongly.

[siddiqi_drinker 14,635]

I suspect we are one of the teams he is talking about when he says some teams only train in the morning.

Aye but only after the full team breakfast. Another example of why McCostalot is a waste of energy.

Even Delia Smith across the city was shocked at the poor level of fitness at the phiggery and yet their players look fitter than ours.

[Gaffbear 4,101]

Someone should send him a copy of the interview..

[Bluepeter9 5,167]

Can you never just see a fault .Your record is like an old 45 with scratches on it .Sadly the needle is stuck and it's time to change the tune

... And can you never see any good? Or do you just leap on every bit of negativity with glee?

[BigAmo'sThighs 848]

The hearts set up just now looks good

They've been lucky to have a good crop of young players and the foresight to develop them. They're playing some great stuff with youngsters who are progressing. The most damning thing for me is we have hearts best players from 3-4 years ago in Temps, black and Wallace. These lads were the best hearts had around for years yet they come to ibrox and what is essentially the hearts youth team plus Alexander, Wilson, ozrek (sp) and sow added in, have outshone us, it baffles me.

We really need to up our training, not dramatically, but certainly in a few vital areas, fitness is vital, but once we get to a good level all we need to do is maintain it and push ourselves a little further on alternate days. The second session should be all technical and shape work, some of it classroom based looking at recent matches, working on set pieces, working on patterns of play with the option of a third session doing very light gym work and a massage/wind down session that the gaffer still has the opportunity to talk to everyone, get his point accross and talk about little things that needs changed in the teams play.

For me, our shape and patterns of play are most vital, Moshni gets stick from everyone on here and it's been merited this season, he been horrible, but I think there's a player there, he gets the ball and is only option is usually a little 3 yard pass into black or a hoof to Boyd. He is always holding the ball, looking for someone to show and he usually gets nothing, he holds on to the ball for too long which makes him susceptible to gaffes, same goes for a lot of others, if we actually had drills and plays we've worked on, when Moshni receives the ball from the GK from a Goal kick, he should know instantly who's open and the next phase of play. Our players get the ball and they panic, looking to find anyone open and it usually ends up with a meaningless 4 yard pass backwards, a pass in the right direction but Macleod/temps is surrounded by markers, or a lump up to Boyd.

We have zero direction, it's all well and good working on crossing, but we have no idea how to get the ball out wide and isolate temps or Aird one on one with the full back, we give Aird the ball and he's usually closer to the half way line than the by line, Boyd would really benefit from playing with wingers who get there and cut the ball back, he's had chances, but the Boyd that scores goals loves a cut back with him facing the goals, not facing our back 4 trying to take down a lump up the park.

We need some new ideas in there, it's beyond a joke how bad our set up is. Alarm bells rang for me after the Matt McKay interview, obviously it was the truth as the poor bastard never played for us again and was loaned out.

[nachothelegend 1,932]

The hearts set up just now looks good

They've been lucky to have a good crop of young players and the foresight to develop them. They're playing some great stuff with youngsters who are progressing. The most damning thing for me is we have hearts best players from 3-4 years ago in Temps, black and Wallace. These lads were the best hearts had around for years yet they come to ibrox and what is essentially the hearts youth team plus Alexander, Wilson, ozrek (sp) and sow added in, have outshone us, it baffles me.

We really need to up our training, not dramatically, but certainly in a few vital areas, fitness is vital, but once we get to a good level all we need to do is maintain it and push ourselves a little further on alternate days. The second session should be all technical and shape work, some of it classroom based looking at recent matches, working on set pieces, working on patterns of play with the option of a third session doing very light gym work and a massage/wind down session that the gaffer still has the opportunity to talk to everyone, get his point accross and talk about little things that needs changed in the teams play.

For me, our shape and patterns of play are most vital, Moshni gets stick from everyone on here and it's been merited this season, he been horrible, but I think there's a player there, he gets the ball and is only option is usually a little 3 yard pass into black or a hoof to Boyd. He is always holding the ball, looking for someone to show and he usually gets nothing, he holds on to the ball for too long which makes him susceptible to gaffes, same goes for a lot of others, if we actually had drills and plays we've worked on, when Moshni receives the ball from the GK from a Goal kick, he should know instantly who's open and the next phase of play. Our players get the ball and they panic, looking to find anyone open and it usually ends up with a meaningless 4 yard pass backwards, a pass in the right direction but Macleod/temps is surrounded by markers, or a lump up to Boyd.

We have zero direction, it's all well and good working on crossing, but we have no idea how to get the ball out wide and isolate temps or Aird one on one with the full back, we give Aird the ball and he's usually closer to the half way line than the by line, Boyd would really benefit from playing with wingers who get there and cut the ball back, he's had chances, but the Boyd that scores goals loves a cut back with him facing the goals, not facing our back 4 trying to take down a lump up the park.

We need some new ideas in there, it's beyond a joke how bad our set up is. Alarm bells rang for me after the Matt McKay interview, obviously it was the truth as the poor bastard never played for us again and was loaned out.

It is a fucking joke We are an utter shambles on the pitch.

[sammy cox 664]

When this subject of training was brought up with Ally before he said himself that he didnt know of any team who came in 9 till 5 Monday-Friday but perhaps looking at our basic skills and fitness he should be a world first and get these guys in but then again why bother.

[Leeds_Bear 8,129]

on double/triple the money so naturally they do half/one third of the work. It's an utter embarrasment - McCoist is a fucking joke excuse of a manager.

[delamonty 992]

Can't stand Levein. But him and Neilson seem to have their act together.

Big Jock made sure we were fit. We won many a match in the last 20 minutes. Fitness can be the difference at the end of the day.

From The Guardian... http://www.theguardi...ootball-manager

Nobody encapsulated that school of management better than the late Jock Wallace, one of Rangers' greatest managers. Wallace was a chillingly hard man with a granite face, an even stronger will, and a voice that rarely softened from its default growl. His army background shaped so much of his management. Wallace was stationed in Northern Ireland and the Malay peninsula in the 1950s, engaged in jungle warfare and surviving by eating what he called "monkey steaks".

Wallace's militarism was such that his dressing room might have been a scene from the film Full Metal Jacket. Gary Lineker recalls a reserve game at Leicester when, at half time, Wallace threw him against a wall. Leicester were 2-0 up. Lineker had scored them both.

[delamonty 992]

Becks wasn't the most gifted of Footballers. But he worked bloody hard on free kicks, corners etc. Paid off. Classic example of hard work.

[siddiqi_drinker 14,635]

Becks wasn't the most gifted of Footballers. But he worked bloody hard on free kicks, corners etc. Paid off. Classic example of hard work.

Only player I ever heard actually admit, on TV, that he "wasn't very good, but worked like hell to get better" was Kevin Keegan. Our current lot and management team think hard work is only for other people.

[NixonRFC 1,405]

Becks wasn't the most gifted of Footballers. But he worked bloody hard on free kicks, corners etc. Paid off. Classic example of hard work.

Disagree entirely, David Beckham was an exception talent, playing 40/50/60/70 yard passes is part and parcel of the game and he was as good as anyone in the World at it, his vision andability to place a pace from any range made him that good, of course hhe worked hard to succeed, all the top level players do but younare severely underrating him here IMO

[barcodebear 85]

McCoist follows the same regime as Walter used to. The only trouble is Walter had some exceptional players in his squad whereas McCoist doesn't. The result is what we're seeing now.

Anybody in a managerial position who can't adapt to circumstances will eventually fail. Why hasn't he been sacked yet?

[Smile 26,622]

McCoist follows the same regime as Walter used to. The only trouble is Walter had some exceptional players in his squad whereas McCoist doesn't. The result is what we're seeing now.

Anybody in a managerial position who can't adapt to circumstances will eventually fail. Why hasn't he been sacked yet?

Smith would still get a lot more out the current crop of players, Essentially that is where Ally fails as a manager.

[Professor_Chang 1,072]

Let's see where we are after 30 games not 7 before we start lauding the opposition to much

Look at where our manager has came in 3+ years. Still unable to players in their correct position, tactically inept, his teams struggles with the basics!