sammy cox 664 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Don't think all his signings have been duds but the majority have been below average players being very well paid for what they are doing.I could accept some of the poor performances over the past few years which have been dished out if the team and management were getting the same pay as most of the opposition but considering our excessive wage bill I just don't think that it has been good enough.At times we haven't looked any better physically or tactically than some of the part time teams we have played Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 A manager is not at fault for any player not performing or going backwards. Just 2 examples are juan veron and ozil. A player can only play well and progress if they have the natural desire to improve week after week. And some can only raise for the bigger games when they have a point to prove and some are just inconsistent performers that have the odd purple patch. Some player can adapt to a managers methods and others no matter who they are cant. Alot of managers get lucky with the unknown talent in new signings and until we have a scouting facility then we'll have more misses than hits Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,269 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 A manager is not at fault for any player not performing or going backwards.Thats just wrong.There's so many things a manager can do to nurture the individual and have their development progress.A positive working environmentClear tacticsPlayer played in true positionWork on their individual weaknesses and improve their strengthsIndividual motivation - arm round shoulder / boot up arseDrop them if underperforming - otherwise they deem performances to be acceptable.A manager manages the individuals as well as the team.To automatically absolve them of blame for players worsening during their tenure isn't on ( although i do concede in some instances a player with a bad attitude can be equally at fault). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORCHARD LOYAL 119 Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 Some of these are mental simply because of the logic used.So fuck if Bedoya or Mckay had international pedigree? The only thing that makes them a good signing is if they come into the team and become undropable due to their form.Basile Boli had a great pedigree, didn't change the fact he was a terrible signing.Same with big Flo, cracking player, terrible signing.Every player signed is a gamble. So many contributing factors on whether they will cut it at any club. Whether they are signed as potential or proven at another club. When a player signs for a new club, its a new beginning and many who have had a bad experience at another club usually excel at a new club but just because they are good at one club doesnt mean they will be an instance success at another. Daniel Proden. Proven internationalist signed because of his pedigree and never kicked a ball for Rangers. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Some of these are mental simply because of the logic used.So fuck if Bedoya or Mckay had international pedigree? The only thing that makes them a good signing is if they come into the team and become undropable due to their form.Basile Boli had a great pedigree, didn't change the fact he was a terrible signing.Same with big Flo, cracking player, terrible signing.Flo averaged 1 in 2, hardly terrible.What was terrible was the decision to pay 12 million pounds for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricksen_da_best 2,034 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wallace - GoodBocanegra - okOrtiz - shiteAluko - gooMatt Mackay - shiteBedoya - shiteMervan Celik - shiteLyttle - wastedCribari - shiteFaure - shiteAgryriou - shiteBlack - shiteShiels - shiteTemps - getting ruinedStella - shiteSandazza - shiteKyle - shiteBell - goodSimonson - shiteFoster - shiteMoshni - shiteSmith - why did he sign, shit.Law - shitePeralta - shiteClark - wastedDaly - goodBoyd - money could be better spentZal - shiteMiller - same as boydRobinson - who? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,925 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 If most of the signings have been good rather than bad? Then why have we been utterly dreadful to watch and came up short more times than not against half decent outfits Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Flo averaged 1 in 2, hardly terrible.What was terrible was the decision to pay 12 million pounds for him.Therefore a terrible signing all things considered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Mervan Celik - rubbishLittle - sacrificed by McCoist when others should have been shown the door firstSmith - average - should never have been resignedClark - good player who isn't getting a fair breakBoyd - no brainer - I think you meant - no Brain! Slow, ponderous and certainly not the goal scorer than Ally (and others) would have us believeAgree with all the ones I removed, have issues with these ones though.Celik - Was in and out the door so fast due to admin that we never really seen him play, rubbish is very harsh.Little- contract ran out, we still had many strikers on deals that we couldn't pay off. Don't think he is any better than anything we currently have.Smith - has been a very able back up to Wallace, and I don't really think he has done much wrong at all, does the job he was brought in to do IMO.Clark - has better players in front of him.Boyd - I think he will prove you wrong and he will still be our top goalscorer come the end of the season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORCHARD LOYAL 119 Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 sorry OP but that has to be the biggest load of shite ive seen on here since someone mentioned someone playing in a certain positionSo debating the performance of the players that play and have played for the club I follow on an open debate forum called Rangers Media is deemed a load of rubbish, Aye right !!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORCHARD LOYAL 119 Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 Lyttle - I dont know who this is?Andy Lyttle or Little (srry for the sp) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueblueal 2,117 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wallace - suitable for Rangers at the top level. No Numan but no complaints. Bocanegra - dependable and a free. Did the job he was asked to do .Ortiz -made no impact but was a free and a gamble worth taking.Aluko - excellent and exciting.Matt Mackay - waste of time signing him.Bedoya - squad player. AverageMervan Celik - zero impact and an very odd one Cribari - good pedigree but past it. Result of zero scouting and taking guys on agents recommendation?Faure - sorry don't rate him. Will fade away as we sign better. Maybe already has. Agryriou - Signed on strength of his CV? Mince .Black - this season should be his last as a first choice but he's done a decent job. Personally would have sacked him for betting against us. Sandaza was billeted for less.Shiels - Decent player technically but we don't have a system that he fits into. I'd have signed him too tbh but he has been a fail and should look to go.Templeton - good player but Ally doesn't seem to trust him. Jury out.Stella - Pointless signing.Sandaza - good player to get free for div 3 until I realised he had a stupid contract. I'd blame whoever negotiated that deal not Ally. Poorly treated in the end IMHO Bell - solid enough. Should be re paced on next couple of years but not as a priority. Good signing.Simonson - bang average, done his job as backup. Foster - Decent enough signing for the lower leagues but should be nowhere near first 11 next year.Moshni - Decent for level but has to go before next season.Smith -reliable backup. Not sure he was really needed.Law - done ok for our level. Expect him to be a squad player in future. Peralta - hasn't shown enough and doesnt seem he will get another chance. Maybe worth a go at RB if Foster get injured. Again next season he'll be away. Daly - good impact and reliable pro. Happy enough as squad player .Boyd - good experience and improved attitude. Again a decent signing .Zaliukas - too early to know. Jury out.Robinson - pointless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Well done the OP --- happy the Prozac is working for you............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireBlue 449 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Therefore a terrible signing all things considered.Footballing wise, no. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prso's headband 35,913 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wallace - DecentBocanegra - AverageOrtiz - PoorAluko - Decent playerMatt Mackay - shockingBedoya - Shocking Mervan Celik - Name says it all Little - should still be hereCribari - Horrible.Faure - Should be starting. Only 21 and has played for France at every level bar the top XI. Something far wrong there.Agryriou - HorribleBlack - puts himself about, decent midfield general, bet against his own team. See yeShiels - average, played out of positionTemps - has no impact when he starts. Hasnt progressed at allStella - who?Sandazza - Stole a wageKyle - Stole a wageBell - Should command his box more instead of flapping his arms at fresh airSimonson - mehFoster - Fast. That is all. Couldnt pass 5 yards straightMoshni - Thinks hes better than what he is, Terrible attitude as wellSmith - Squad player played on wing. Half decent free kickLaw - Just noticed he played at cowdenbeath, missing for a yearPeralta - Should be sold.Clark - Pace, decent finisher in the box. Not prolific enough as I thought he would be when in the teamDaly - Puts himself about, causes problems for their defence. Quite like him atmBoyd - LOL. Looks 2 stone heavierZal - Unlucky with injuries. Miller - Doesnt seem to have lost pace or desire. Good to see. Still would like more goals from him aswellRobinson - shouldnt be here. Gallacher should Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wasn't Velicka under Allys tenure as well?And aluko was under Walter i'm sure? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBear. 8,499 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Wasn't Velicka under Allys tenure as well?And aluko was under Walter i'm sure?Wrong on both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
16BlueSherbert90 19,281 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I read your comments on Facebook regarding that dum article by the Daily Record yesterday. Well said I forget what I said, but if you approved then it must of made sense at least lol xx Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,925 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 a fucking disaster of a manager, a squad not capable for the championship nevermind the premiership, and all built by that fucking clown Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingtom80 166 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 a few good players a bad manager and the two dont go well to/gether,please go ally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryrfc 123 Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I really need to get glasses.Thought it said Ally McCoist resigns.Oh well back on the vin rouge:-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amac9 2,060 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 We really have witnessed some horrendous signings down the years. And not just under the current regime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coplandbear11 1,087 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 The warning signs where there when Walter had to bail him out a few times when he was allowed to take control of cup games before he was manager. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,622 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Some debate on other threads about the calibre of player Ally is bringing to the club. Alot on here claiming that the manager's signing are all duds and that Ally can't be trusted with the club's money on new players. I disagree and would say that he can recognise and attract a player ok but its coaching them into better players that is the problem. Have a look for yourselfWallace - qualityBocanegra - qualityOrtiz - little or no impactAluko - Fantastic signingMatt Mackay - decent but didnt break through to the team but had good pedigree as full internationalistBedoya - Same as Matt McKayMervan Celik - no impactLyttle - good for the league we were in at that timeCribari - same as LytlleFaure - still is a good squad playerAgryriou - little impactBlack - put as shift in everytime he wears a jerseyShiels - good in his first seasonTemps - Potential was there for all to see and all managers would have jumped at this signingStella - little or no impactSandazza - sacked so we dont know how succesful he would have been. Proven spl scorerKyle - deserves credir for dropping down the leagues and coming to us. his career was over so always a gambleBell - success so farSimonson - good back upFoster - Pace is important but offers little elseMoshni - a gamble but still thing there is a player in there.Smith - good squad playerLaw - same as tempsPeralta - little or no impactClark - class little playerDaly - successBoyd - no brainerZal - back up squad playerMiller - experience is vitalRobinson - smart moveHow has this changed since last posted and what are your feelings now. To everyone not just the OP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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