****Your official Dundee v Rangers thread****

[danger ranger 922]

2 minutes ago, Howsitgoing said:

The defence can't  be blamed entirely for Dundee having 63% possession. I look at it another way, 63% possession and not one clear shot at goal. Any other team would commend the defence for that statistic and take solace instead of pannicking. 

Its not just the defence, the midfield kept playing sideways and backwards in the second half resulting in the defence giving the ball away and getting in to trouble, For a so called attacking team we don't do attacking!!, also not taking our chances puts even more pressure on us. We played decent enough in the first half and should have scored more, also Miller and Forrester should have been off at the 50 minute mark as both were showing signs of tiredness, at least its a win but can't see us winning the league.

[danger ranger 922]

3 minutes ago, bornabear said:

Mckay not effective ?

Who flicked the ball for Harry to score ?

Who gave Wallace an ace of a through ball which finished with Miller getting No 2 ?

I rest my case.

He also stopped performing in the second half apart from the odd occasion, and his finishing is still not good enough.

[RDFM 3,809]

Niko, Barton and Rossiter should never be our midfield. Too slow, too defensive, too static.

[ThatNightInFlorence 696]

A huge three points today bears! 

 

Not the best performance but I thought we showed good character in the final 10 minutes to see the game out. Last season we dropped points in games such as Falkirk and Raith away so we are improving. 

 

Another positive is that more of our players got game time that need it E.g. Barton and Niko. 

 

Onto Motherwell at home next week. Let's get another sell out and have Ibrox rocking. If the tims drop points in the early game away to St. Johnstone the atmosphere could be quite good! 

 

[THE_Ibrox_Preacher 2,812]

33 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Great and fair post mate 

As bad as other teams are ,we are going to ger the hiding we all dreaded very soon 

The defence is simply not good enough .

Hate to say it but I'm seriously concerned that MW thinks we can go to Scumdome and play our attacking style with this defence 

I'm not confident 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Until the manager starts proving us wrong there is an air of Le Guen about this and before anyone harpoons me allow me to make the case;

• After the first 2 months of last season, we played possession football in a manner that allowed teams to get back and defend as a back 10, as the season went on we struggled to even create chances never mind scoring. We were more direct today but generally you can say with certainty that this is a year long issue/trait.
• For all we raved about last season we achieved fewer points than Hearts, only finished 10 points ahead of 2nd and the Cup final and last 10-12 games of the season would have had a manager strung up in a normal year.
• Plan 'A' is attack a team to death leaving us open to the counter attack and putting a lot of pressure on our threadbare defense, the possession we have does not equate to goals and in turn Plan 'A' isn't fully functioning AND there appears to be no alternative/correction to it by the manager.
• Manager has not criticised financial backing from the board but never have we claimed to be challenging for a title with so little - I understand why money is tight but I never made the promise nor inferred that we're going for it. You can say he's happy, complicit, naive or whatever but 'value' doesn't need to mean free's from the Championship relegation zone it can mean someone at £1M who's a better defender than everyone at the club and who has a sell on value or potential to get even better (what we've got for the money is FANTASTIC and I see how it all could come together etc. etc. BUT we are lacking some genuine class/quality you can just rely on regardless of the weather/performance and that is an issue particularly in Defense.) 
• The manager said that getting our new players in early would make all the difference to starting the season as we'd be more prepared, sharp, fit etc. etc.; I'm calling bullshit on this one, take the blinkers off with regards to our wins against League 1 and below, we've been huffing out our arse in multiple positions and key players.
• Hamilton was used as a pre-season game and the proof of that is the players who failed to perform prior all started while the players we eventually brought on as subs were clearly sharp/fit/ready/better.
• Comments after the Hamilton game were deceitful (imo), bizarre and failing to acknowledge/recognise the truth.
• Today was again extended to Miller as a fitness/sharpness exercise - he could have wrapped up the game in the first half 2-3 times and I knew the fact that he didn't would make it hard for us in the second half ( I don't write him off like some on here as I know he'll be an asset BUT he's not meriting a starting place and it's playing with fire when we make it difficult for ourselves going forward already.
• Forrester should have been subbed and had he been sent off we were in trouble.

When you combine it all there is a POSSIBLE naivety that some 'C' rate English players will stroll it up here, that we'll win with a 50% team/performance etc, that 'Plan A' will work, that no investment is needed to challenge - it's all just combining to possibly smack of that arrogance/naivety Le Guen had when he put Svensson at CB, struggled every week against the bread and butter, stuck to his style when it wasn't working.

Despite all these accumulated thoughts I don't think much needs to happen in order to see 3rd and 4th gears in our team and a strength that puts fear into teams, it's just concerning that we are sailing so close to the wind and appear entirely unconcerned without evidence to suggest that confidence is well founded. 

I should add for fairness that perhaps Crooks, Windass, Waghorn are all key and there will be another couple in this regard (new signings yet to be made) - it's easy then to see why we could look disjointed/lacking but I do feel we have more than enough to have savaged Hamilton and Dundee and we have not.

[TEFTONG 60,464]

I am happy that we won..I put a £1-90 C/S/D on a Ladbrokes machine in Ilkeston this morning of Rangers to win 2-1 & Man City to win 4-1..So I am half way to over £200..

[Bad Robot 21,512]

27 minutes ago, TEFTONG said:

Good 3 points...I gave Thompson abuse for his 1st half performance..But he probably should have sent Our Harry off..Swings & Roundabouts..??

Thought that myself ?

[A.T.G 10,773]

9 minutes ago, bornabear said:

Mckay not effective ?

Who flicked the ball for Harry to score ?

Who gave Wallace an ace of a through ball which finished with Miller getting No 2 ?

I rest my case.

He was nowhere near what he can do, if you believe that you're an idiot

[TEFTONG 60,464]

8 minutes ago, Bad Robot said:

Thought that myself ?

Great Minds and all that...

[bornabear 6,221]

We've played worse, so I'm not going to moan. very good 1st half.

3 points and I'm a happy bear.

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

2 minutes ago, danger ranger said:

Its not just the defence, the midfield kept playing sideways and backwards in the second half resulting in the defence giving the ball away and getting in to trouble, For a so called attacking team we don't do attacking!!, also not taking our chances puts even more pressure on us. We played decent enough in the first half and should have scored more, also Miller and Forrester should have been off at the 50 minute mark as both were showing signs of tiredness, at least its a win but can't see us winning the league.

Yes that's fair enough, I just think the defence gets too much of the blame. If you ignore that shit stirring bastard mutton then the defence played ok. Some aukward balls out, I grant you but not one clear cut chance for Dundee the entire game, apart from the goal of course. 

Mutton enphasing Rangers frailties throughout the match has pissed me off. 

Every team has there strong and weak points. Rangers strong point is clearly not their defence but today the defence were far from vulnerable as mutton put it. 

[Supersonic 4,658]

4 minutes ago, In Dungeons Deep said:

Niko, Barton and Rossiter should never be our midfield. Too slow, too defensive, too static.

I hope Windass is back asap

[RDFM 3,809]

1 minute ago, Supersonic said:

I hope Windass is back asap

Out of likes but 100%

[NABear 11]

19 minutes ago, A.T.G said:

Corners are a joke

MoH, Dodoo, Niko done nothing when came on

Forrester had a great 1st half

McKay not effective again, cannot wait till he gets going

The defence are just a shambles, they done a couple good bits of defending at times but every time the ball comes over or they need to hold a challenge they fucking fuck it up, this was needing addressed last Jan never mind in the next fortnight 

less said about corners the better, we all know it is a joke, they had 3 free headers

Thought Wee Rossiter was awesome again, absolute star, he can't do all the dirty work himself either, needs help

Barton was ok, few passes which had me raging

Wingbacks nowhere near as effective as they can be, Wallace was the better out of the 2 I thought

Miller, was ok, great goal as was Forrester

Halliday I thought got himself into good positions, with some better decision making he could have assisted in a couple more goals today

Delighted with the 3 more point but the guys have to be braver, and take example from Rossiter, we all have to win ugly sometimes but we need a couple games where we win beautifully to make these games count

Onto the next

McKay was the best player on the park along with Rossiter? The flick on to Forrseter for the first and the brilliant pass to Wallace for Millers goal? 

[Bruno's Manbun 2,631]

26 minutes ago, Howsitgoing said:

The defence can't  be blamed entirely for Dundee having 63% possession. I look at it another way, 63% possession and not one clear shot at goal. Any other team would commend the defence for that statistic and take solace instead of pannicking. 

Yeah okay I take your point, but when I was watching with Dundee having so much possession in that period I was a bag of nerves

[bornabear 6,221]

4 minutes ago, A.T.G said:

He was nowhere near what he can do, if you believe that you're an idiot

I didn't say he was at his best, just mentioned 2 passes which led to our goals.

And yes, I have been silly at times in my life.

 

[millsygers44 22]

Wow some people 

someone said earlier they worry about this fragile rangers team winning ugly (just done it) 

4 pts out of 6 through to qf 

but some people just want to moan and greet 

4 years ago today Kevin Kyle scored a last minute equaliser against Peterhead 

take stock

[Reformation Bear 6,453]

24 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Mr Warburton....we've got to learn from that game 

I wish we'd learn how to defend corners and how to score from corners

I really do get MW always going on about learning.   Seems everything these days in every walk of life has a 'life long learning' mantra attached to it.   I know lots of people who are professional learners.  Always looking to acquire some new qualification or other, or do yet another course.   Always learning......but not always translated into much actual productive 'doing'.   I'm looking forward to the day when evidence in Rangers defensive skills moves from learning to learned - especially defending corner kicks and free kicks.    Also looking to see more evidence of having learned in converting goal scoring opportunities into actual goals scored.   We should have been 3-0 up and instead found ourselves conceding a goal.  

As much as MW talks about 'learning' it also applies to himself to shift the emphasis into 'learned'.   And quickly too if he holds to the ambition of producing a squad which proves to have been more than competitive this season.  

Until its more a case of learned and then developing from that 'learned' position watching games is a bit tense.    Like watching kids take exams - until the results are out and they show they have learned the nerves are there.  

[Virtuoso 27,180]

Just now, JograBear said:

We lost control of midfield when Krancjar came on. Still think he is a luxury.

Along with Barton.

If we play against the Bheasts (in 3 weeks time) like we did today and we will be ripped apart.

A harsh lesson looms on the horizon for some.

[A.T.G 10,773]

8 minutes ago, bornabear said:

I didn't say he was at his best, just mentioned 2 passes which led to our goals.

And yes, I have been silly at times in my life.

 

Maybe effective is the wrong word

[danger ranger 922]

8 minutes ago, Virtuoso said:

Along with Barton.

If we play against the Bheasts (in 3 weeks time) like we did today and we will be ripped apart.

A harsh lesson looms on the horizon for some.

The midfield control was lost before Kranjcar came on and just got worse as the game went on, even fresh players didn't help.

[LeeWallaceRFC 3,920]

[Bigsasasfloppyhair 13,310]

Fuck it, 36 more of them n the league is ours!!! 

[BluebearDory 3,694]

3 points 

all that matters. Onwards 

some weeks you play great and get nothing, other weeks like today it's a ground out victory and 3 points . I know which I prefer 

[RFCRobertson 11,792]

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