D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 http://www.parliament.scot/S5_JusticeCommittee/Inquiries/OBR215-PoliceScotland.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR1979 1,964 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 45 minutes ago, D'Artagnan said: http://www.parliament.scot/S5_JusticeCommittee/Inquiries/OBR215-PoliceScotland.pdf So are they ditching this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayboleLoyal_atb 3,718 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 If it gets ditched will people who have been charged previously have it dropped no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy1984 6,314 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Not before time if it is being ditched. No doubt the snp will have something even more sinister up their sleeve to replace it though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 13,319 Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, GWR1979 said: So are they ditching this? Still to be decided I think - hence the request for submissions from all interested and relevant parties bud Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, MayboleLoyal_atb said: If it gets ditched will people who have been charged previously have it dropped no? No Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayboleLoyal_atb 3,718 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 minute ago, With Heart and Hand said: No Bastard ☹️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 too many scum fans must be getting caught like these cunts below. Eight Celtic fans are to stand trial for allegedly wearing tops bearing images supporting the IRA. Martin Gardner, 49, John Forbes, 31, Anthony Kerr, 33, Asjad Siraj, 29, Paul Townsend, 26, Paul Quigley, 26, Ryan Gallagher, 28, and Stefan Morris, 24, appeared at Glasgow Sheriff Court. The men deny the charges relating to the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act on 19 July at Celtic Park. A trial date was set for December and the men were released on bail. All eight allegedly wore shirts with an image which "displayed an image with a figure related to and in support of a proscribed terrorist organisation, namely the IRA". Mr Quigley, from Cumbernauld, Mr Gallagher, from Glasgow and Mr Morris, from Ardrossan are also accused of displaying a banner with an image which related to the IRA. The three men appeared in court along with Mr Townsend, from Cumbernauld, on the same papers and were represented by Paul Kavanagh. Mr Gardner, from Pollok, Mr Forbes, from East Kilbride, and Mr Kerr and Mr Siraj, from Glasgow, are being represented by the same lawyer and appeared in the dock together Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, MayboleLoyal_atb said: Bastard ☹️ Ken I've been done with it twice. But at the end of the day the law was the law at the time so charges won't be dropped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Smile said: too many scum fans must be getting caught like these cunts below. Eight Celtic fans are to stand trial for allegedly wearing tops bearing images supporting the IRA. Martin Gardner, 49, John Forbes, 31, Anthony Kerr, 33, Asjad Siraj, 29, Paul Townsend, 26, Paul Quigley, 26, Ryan Gallagher, 28, and Stefan Morris, 24, appeared at Glasgow Sheriff Court. The men deny the charges relating to the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act on 19 July at Celtic Park. A trial date was set for December and the men were released on bail. All eight allegedly wore shirts with an image which "displayed an image with a figure related to and in support of a proscribed terrorist organisation, namely the IRA". Mr Quigley, from Cumbernauld, Mr Gallagher, from Glasgow and Mr Morris, from Ardrossan are also accused of displaying a banner with an image which related to the IRA. The three men appeared in court along with Mr Townsend, from Cumbernauld, on the same papers and were represented by Paul Kavanagh. Mr Gardner, from Pollok, Mr Forbes, from East Kilbride, and Mr Kerr and Mr Siraj, from Glasgow, are being represented by the same lawyer and appeared in the dock together Ironically, none actually from Ireland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Can i sing about being up to my knees in blood yet? Or shall i stick to "big trophies"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 65,025 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Asjad Siraj, there a name for a Scottish 'Irish republican' Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR1979 1,964 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, D'Artagnan said: Still to be decided I think - hence the request for submissions from all interested and relevant parties bud The money which has been put into sending the police to video us all through the divisions must be astronomical. Would be interested to see what the split in suporters convicted and what Team they support. Stupid law which has cost a fortune, to criminalise working class football fans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,456 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Just as long as the existing legislation which will be used to deal with football related "issues" doesn't skew it towards us and no one else being guilty of "sectarianism". Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 from the police submission, it doesn't sound like they are particularly fussed about it going. Which is interesting because their 2011 submission the Chief Police officers were "fully supportive" of the bill. This has nothing to do with policing and nothing to do with "being offended". It has everything to do with the SNP currying favour with the catholic vote for independence - until the law started turning on them as well. The whole things is an utter mess and should be scrapped immediately Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, Gustav said: Asjad Siraj, there a name for a Scottish 'Irish republican' Wonder if he is a muslim kafflick? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 To be honest, im torn on this.... Reading between the lines, this repeal will make it legal to sing in support of the IRA etc, yet they will still charge anyone who sings the 'f' word with current legislation. The one thing that jumps out at me is the point that they are categorising 'fenian' and 'H**' as equivalents that are both punished under the OBFA act, yet from my view point, only one of them seems to be regularly enforced. That might just be a slanted view I have, but they dont seem to be treated equally. Personally I think that they have to do one of two things :- 1. Make it an offence to sing about the IRA/UVF/H**/Fenian. Sanitise the lot of it, equally and across the board. 2. Man the fuck up and cut out the mock offence and not start charging folk for what is effectively 90 minutes of banter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: To be honest, im torn on this.... Reading between the lines, this repeal will make it legal to sing in support of the IRA etc, yet they will still charge anyone who sings the 'f' word with current legislation. The one thing that jumps out at me is the point that they are categorising 'fenian' and 'H**' as equivalents that are both punished under the OBFA act, yet from my view point, only one of them seems to be regularly enforced. That might just be a slanted view I have, but they dont seem to be treated equally. Personally I think that they have to do one of two things :- 1. Make it an offence to sing about the IRA/UVF/H**/Fenian. Sanitise the lot of it, equally and across the board. 2. Man the fuck up and cut out the mock offence and not start charging folk for what is effectively 90 minutes of banter. @gogzy WTF man...... Why is 'H**' being censored? Think we are getting a little bit sensitive, dont you think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gj923 1,457 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Doubtful this will be overturned as the SNP administration has a hard time admitting mistakes. Starting reading it although quickly gave up but a few things stand out - repeal Bill referred to ‘kettling’. Whilst we do not recognise the term kittling.........can you not even spellcheck or proofread before submitting to Parliament - It is a reality that some football clubs attract a section of supporters who are intent on causing violence.......is this remotely true with the majority of games now in Scotland? And how the fuck can Hamilton have 13 fans charged under OBA 15/16 when they probably don't even have more than a dozen fans - It mentions "H**" and "fenian" but my understanding is that it is acceptable to label us as H*** but shouting fenians or having it on a banner is not Lastly if this stupid law is going to remain in place It would be of benefit if the legislation defined that the offending behaviour can take the form of words, songs, chants, gestures and displays to remove some ambiguity and give the clubs and police more powers to deal with offensive banners, scarves and other displays. This last bit should hopefully result in more arrests for the unwashed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: @gogzy WTF man...... Why is 'H**' being censored? Think we are getting a little bit sensitive, dont you think? Fucking Hell who can you Complain about that on a Rangers Forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitre_mouldmaster 21,509 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Just now, Smile said: Fucking Hell who can you Complain about that on a Rangers Forum. I think you mean 'how' and because I am a fucking adult and would rather not be fucking censored. Like my earlier post, I would rather society just manned the fuck up and stopped pretending to get offended. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Enclosure Row N 2,824 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, MayboleLoyal_atb said: If it gets ditched will people who have been charged previously have it dropped no? Not at all - because the legislation was in place at the time of their arrest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said: I think you mean 'how' and because I am a fucking adult and would rather not be fucking censored. Like my earlier post, I would rather society just manned the fuck up and stopped pretending to get offended. Like you're Pretending to be offended now you mean that you can't use the Term H** on a Rangers Forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Enclosure Row N 2,824 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, gj923 said: - It mentions "H**" and "fenian" but my understanding is that it is acceptable to label us as H*** but shouting fenians or having it on a banner is not The words "H**" and "Fenian" are not deemed offensive when used in isolation, but only when used as derogatory adjectives, ie..... "H** bastard" or "Fenian prick". Example - singing "Go home ya H**" is not an offence, but singing "To die a Fenian bastard" is deemed to be offensive. There is equal weighting given in the law to both words. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Enclosure Row N 2,824 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 And to be frankly honest - who really gives a toss about anyone using the word h.u.n against us? Who loses sleep at night or worries about what the world is coming to? Anyone? Anyone at all in this country? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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