General Transfer Talk

[Somemightsay7 2,597]

50 minutes ago, hammer93 said:

McCrorie is a no brainer for me if the wages are to be utilised on a top striker.....if we get a better defence then for the league McCrorie will be fine based on what I have saw.....we qualified for the champions league with McLaughlin so no reason to suggest we wouldn't manage it with McCrorie 

Isn't that an argument for the reason we shouldn't just make McCrorie our number one? McLaughlin looked fine in a handful of games but then it became clear he wasn't good enough and was dropped.

McCrorie may well go on to be great, but we have no idea if he will as he's only played a couple games and had very little to do.

If we go into next year with McCrorie as our number one and he goes the same way as McLaughlin did this year then the league's done before we've even started.

 

[bluenoz 31,336]

2 minutes ago, Broxi said:

The numbers I put were conservative/bare minimum we should hope for. In reality I think Hagi probably leaves for £3m this summer. Don't see a team paying £5m and I don't see us trying to hold out for it either tbh

 

With maybe the exception of Galatasaray. They might pay the highest.

[WWTC 2,257]

3 minutes ago, The Specky Non Liar - Sometimes said:

No. Lowry.

Very few people have wanted Lowry in the starting 11? And i’m the one making things up? 

[ForeverAndEver 72,248]

31 minutes ago, WWTC said:

Fuckin £2M for Hagi but £4M for Kamara. I’m away man 

I know, he should be getting more than double Hagi’s fee

[onlythestrongsurvive 1,007]

9 minutes ago, bluenoz said:

The Turks will pay £5M for Hagi.

Why? Because his dad played there?  Don't see us buying Lewis Ferguson for £5m  - not  that I don't like Hagi but Tilman is a much better player and folk saying wouldn't pay £5m for him. (£4.5m for Tilman at this point in his career is about right, and about £2.5m for Hagi I'd say were fair)

[Somemightsay7 2,597]

Just now, onlythestrongsurvive said:

Why? Because his dad played there?  Don't see us buying Lewis Ferguson for £5m  - not  that I don't like Hagi but Tilman is a much better player and folk saying wouldn't pay £5m for him. (£4.5m for Tilman at this point in his career is about right, and about £2.5m for Hagi I'd say were fair)

If we can sell Hagi for £3m+ I'd be a lot more onboard with signing Tillman for £5-6m.

If we can't it's harder to justify.

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,510]

2 minutes ago, onlythestrongsurvive said:

Why? Because his dad played there?  Don't see us buying Lewis Ferguson for £5m  - not  that I don't like Hagi but Tilman is a much better player and folk saying wouldn't pay £5m for him. (£4.5m for Tilman at this point in his career is about right, and about £2.5m for Hagi I'd say were fair)

If we could get Ferguson for £5m it would probably be a fucking bargain.

[6superbarry6 14,268]

1 hour ago, The Specky Non Liar - Sometimes said:

Should be pushing the boat out on players of a high quality then at centre back, centre mid and striker.

Definitely, especially if we can get a few out the door. 

[6superbarry6 14,268]

53 minutes ago, Colin Traive said:

Don’t expect much in sales income tbh.

Barisic, Kamara, Colak, Davies might bring in 8-10m?

Thats the best we can hope for.

The world knows we’re having a house clearance and will want bargain prices.

Id be happy bringing in 10m and have 25m to spend tbh.

[Somemightsay7 2,597]

54 minutes ago, Colin Traive said:

Don’t expect much in sales income tbh.

Barisic, Kamara, Colak, Davies might bring in 8-10m?

Thats the best we can hope for.

The world knows we’re having a house clearance and will want bargain prices.

I would consider £10m in sales significant. That's more than we've made in sales in 99% of our windows.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,043]

7 hours ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

McCrorie has done really well in his games so far, but I think it’s a massive jump to go from where he is now, to the stick on number one. 

We need a keeper in who can properly compete with him, not a back up or a reserve in the McLaughlin mould.

 

 

Mcgregor did it back when he became number 1

[6superbarry6 14,268]

10m in player sales should be easily achievable 

[6superbarry6 14,268]

Barisic  - 1m

Wright - 500k

Kamara - 4m

Hagi - 3m

Davies - 3m 

Colak - 3m 

that doesn’t look too unrealistic to me tbh, hopefully we could move on Sakala and Matondo but can’t see that happening. 

[hammer93 15,138]

23 minutes ago, Somemightsay7 said:

Isn't that an argument for the reason we shouldn't just make McCrorie our number one? McLaughlin looked fine in a handful of games but then it became clear he wasn't good enough and was dropped.

McCrorie may well go on to be great, but we have no idea if he will as he's only played a couple games and had very little to do.

If we go into next year with McCrorie as our number one and he goes the same way as McLaughlin did this year then the league's done before we've even started.

 

No....my point is what I've seen in McCrorie makes him good levels above McLaughlin, to win the league we need to score more goals than we have been doing.....McCrorie imho won't be a defining reason for not winning the league.....better strikers with better goal returns will win us the league.....McCrorie has played 3 league games and has looked sure and composed in the 3 games (2 v celtic) I think the lad deserves his shot....spend the reported 25k-30k for Butland on a striker.....free up the Morelos & Kent wages and we have roughly around 80k in wages for a new front 3.....that for me is far more important for me at this stage

[mitre_mouldmaster 21,510]

This isnt a suggestion, just doesnt deserve its own thread and since keepers are getting discussed.

How has big Wes Foderingham done since leaving us?

[BlueSuedeSambas 54,620]

2 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

This isnt a suggestion, just doesnt deserve its own thread and since keepers are getting discussed.

How has big Wes Fotheringham done since leaving us?

 

[esquire8 43,691]

5 minutes ago, mitre_mouldmaster said:

This isnt a suggestion, just doesnt deserve its own thread and since keepers are getting discussed.

How has big Wes Fotheringham done since leaving us?

 

[ForeverAndEver 72,248]

I’d take Foderingham

[OrangeRab 3,070]

25 minutes ago, hammer93 said:

No....my point is what I've seen in McCrorie makes him good levels above McLaughlin, to win the league we need to score more goals than we have been doing.....McCrorie imho won't be a defining reason for not winning the league.....better strikers with better goal returns will win us the league.....McCrorie has played 3 league games and has looked sure and composed in the 3 games (2 v celtic) I think the lad deserves his shot....spend the reported 25k-30k for Butland on a striker.....free up the Morelos & Kent wages and we have roughly around 80k in wages for a new front 3.....that for me is far more important for me at this stage

I think that massively downplays the risk. As an example, with McGregor in goals we’ve conceded close to an extra 10 goals from inside our 6 yard box than the average because he can’t move his feet. That’s potentially league deciding.

If McCrorie is as good as he’s shown for 5 games we don’t have a problem. But you can see the risk if he isn’t.

That’s before you factor in how a keeper can effect your attacking and defensive play style from how high you can press to how you play out from the back

[born a blue nose 91,211]

If we start next season with mccrorie as number 1 then we are in trouble from the off. 

 

[Somemightsay7 2,597]

34 minutes ago, hammer93 said:

No....my point is what I've seen in McCrorie makes him good levels above McLaughlin, to win the league we need to score more goals than we have been doing.....McCrorie imho won't be a defining reason for not winning the league.....better strikers with better goal returns will win us the league.....McCrorie has played 3 league games and has looked sure and composed in the 3 games (2 v celtic) I think the lad deserves his shot....spend the reported 25k-30k for Butland on a striker.....free up the Morelos & Kent wages and we have roughly around 80k in wages for a new front 3.....that for me is far more important for me at this stage

The issue I see is that yes, he's looked decent in the 2 games he's played this season, but it's just 2 games and he wasn't really tested in either of them. He only had one save to make on Saturday.

McLaughlin looked decent in a handful of low-pressure games but failed when he stepped up to be number one. This is the same situation, but McCrorie has even less experience. Hell, Matondo looked great in his first 2 games for us. 

A few low-pressure games with the league already over isn't going to tell us whether he's good enough, but going into next season relying on him is asking for trouble. 

[rossco87 711]

1 hour ago, Somemightsay7 said:

Isn't that an argument for the reason we shouldn't just make McCrorie our number one? McLaughlin looked fine in a handful of games but then it became clear he wasn't good enough and was dropped.

McCrorie may well go on to be great, but we have no idea if he will as he's only played a couple games and had very little to do.

If we go into next year with McCrorie as our number one and he goes the same way as McLaughlin did this year then the league's done before we've even started.

 

Issue is though say we bring in Butland and he is fine; going to your line of argument we don’t see whether McCrorie will be good enough to be our no. 1 / better than Butland as we will only see him in a couple of cup games a year or loan him out but then we are having to bring in 2 goalies (who could both potentially be our no. 1) to cover off injuries / 1 being pish.

 

Given what I have seen so far in his limited time I would be comfortable with him as no. 1 with an experienced back up but can totally understand the opposite point of view that it is a massive risk given he has played so little.

 

Really just another example of where we have totally fucked ourselves last summer by not grabbing the bull by the horns by either not renewing McGregor’s contract or as soon as he did renew getting McCrorie out on loan to as high a level as we could to see if he could cut it.

 

 

[Hadron Collider 31,421]

Foderingham, FFS! 

[Somemightsay7 2,597]

Just now, rossco87 said:

 

 

Really just another example of where we have totally fucked ourselves last summer by not grabbing the bull by the horns by either not renewing McGregor’s contract or as soon as he did renew getting McCrorie out on loan to as high a level as we could to see if he could cut it.

 

 

McCrorie should have become number one earlier in the season when McGregor was shown to be shite. That would have told us whether he could make it or not.

[rossco87 711]

Just now, Somemightsay7 said:

McCrorie should have become number one earlier in the season when McGregor was shown to be shite. That would have told us whether he could make it or not.

That would have been ideal but think he has been fairly hampered with injuries this season?