Dessers

[Roy Hobbs 2,996]

8 minutes ago, WestCoastGer said:

There is no arguing with the stats. But 95% of the time he does not control the ball well and does not look comfortable on the ball either. He doesn't seem to be able to take the ball into feet when facing away from goal, for instance. And I'm speaking as one of the least football-savvy guys on here. As others have said, it's his conversion of chances that's the telling stat and he simply does not put enough away for a main striker at a club like this. 

What is his conversion stat? 

[beararse 6,937]

15 minutes ago, WestCoastGer said:

There is no arguing with the stats. But 95% of the time he does not control the ball well and does not look comfortable on the ball either. He doesn't seem to be able to take the ball into feet when facing away from goal, for instance. And I'm speaking as one of the least football-savvy guys on here. As others have said, it's his conversion of chances that's the telling stat and he simply does not put enough away for a main striker at a club like this. 

Danilo is just as bad, if not worse when it comes to converting chances. The number of sitters he has missed is astonishing, he just happens to be more industrious off the ball and have better ball control but some of his misses have been staggering.  

[the old guard 2,463]

His positional sense is non existent.  

[Roy Hobbs 2,996]

8 minutes ago, beararse said:

Danilo is just as bad, if not worse when it comes to converting chances. The number of sitters he has missed is astonishing, he just happens to be more industrious off the ball and have better ball control but some of his misses have been staggering.  

I think Danilo has been worse but his movement gets him more chances.

[beararse 6,937]

33 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

What is his conversion stat? 

Here's his stats alongside Sima's for this season.

Dessers has a poorer conversion rate, 2.5% lower, but is 31.5% more accurate than Sima.

Can't get Danilo's info as there is a mistaken reference to other strikers with the same name.

[graeme_4 37,691]

10 hours ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said:

The comment I said utter balls to was that there were no positives in his game at all.

What are the positives in his game? 

[Finny 6,172]

59 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

He's got 8 goals and 4 assists. Only Tavernier and Sima have more.

Also remember how long Beale and Phil persisted with him when he wasn't contributing anything. 

[Roy Hobbs 2,996]

6 minutes ago, beararse said:

Here's his stats alongside Sima's for this season.

Dessers has a poorer conversion rate, 2.5% lower, but is 31.5% more accurate than Sima.

Can't get Danilo's info as there is a mistaken reference to other strikers with the same name.

The Sima stats are interesting. He takes a lot of shots and loads of them are off target but half of the ones on target hit the net.

What website is that from?

[Roy Hobbs 2,996]

1 minute ago, Finny said:

Also remember how long Beale and Phil persisted with him when he wasn't contributing anything. 

Not very long. He's played about half the minutes Butland and Tavernier have, despite being fit for every game.

[beararse 6,937]

18 minutes ago, beararse said:

Here's his stats alongside Sima's for this season.

Dessers has a poorer conversion rate, 2.5% lower, but is 31.5% more accurate than Sima.

Can't get Danilo's info as there is a mistaken reference to other strikers with the same name.

Here's Morelos stats for 21/22 season for comparison (the seasons before don't have this level of info but its a fair reflection of what we were replacing).

Dessers actually has a higher conversion and accuracy rate. I know its not all about stats but folk say Dessers is utter shite yet his stats for Rangers over a limited time, some of which was under a truly shite manager, are better than a striker most on here heralded as the best striker we've had in 15-20 years.

[beararse 6,937]

8 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

The Sima stats are interesting. He takes a lot of shots and loads of them are off target but half of the ones on target hit the net.

What website is that from?

https://footystats.org/players/senegal/abdallah-sima

[beararse 6,937]

And those calling on Shankland as a replacement, be careful what you wish for: his conversion rate and accuracy is worse than Dessers, albeit only marginally in terms of conversion

Yes, he's playing for a poorer team but that is irrelevant in terms of conversion and accuracy stats.

I watched Shankland v celtic closely last Saturday and he was no better or worse than Dessers off the ball IMO, so its whether his conversion and accuracy rates in front of goal will improve in a Rangers team.

[Boybluesy 4,064]

3 hours ago, beararse said:

And those calling on Shankland as a replacement, be careful what you wish for: his conversion rate and accuracy is worse than Dessers, albeit only marginally in terms of conversion

Yes, he's playing for a poorer team but that is irrelevant in terms of conversion and accuracy stats.

I watched Shankland v celtic closely last Saturday and he was no better or worse than Dessers off the ball IMO, so its whether his conversion and accuracy rates in front of goal will improve in a Rangers team.

This season. Shanklands scored 13 goals and two assists 24 games.  Dessers 8 goals 3 assists 26 games.  Dessers has never been prolific in his career.  Shankland is prolific, albeit some of it was down the levels, but he's played in poorer teams with less chances than he would get with us. 

[The Godfather 75,868]

Can't belive folk spend hours going over stats and percentages on this guy. You only have to watch 1 single game of your choice since the summer to know he's fucking pish

[KBOO72 4,790]

4 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

Can't belive folk spend hours going over stats and percentages on this guy. You only have to watch 1 single game of your choice since the summer to know he's fucking pish

This, all day long. 

[beararse 6,937]

1 hour ago, Boybluesy said:

This season. Shanklands scored 13 goals and two assists 24 games.  Dessers 8 goals 3 assists 26 games.  Dessers has never been prolific in his career.  Shankland is prolific, albeit some of it was down the levels, but he's played in poorer teams with less chances than he would get with us. 

Shankland has played practically every minute of the season so while he has indeed played less games he’s actually played 600 mins more than Dessers (597mins to be exact) which is the equivalent of 6 and 2/3 games more.

So, accounting for actual playing time, Shankland has scored 13 times in 24 full games and Dessers has scored 8 in an equivelant 17 and 1/4 games. All things being equal, Dessers needs to score an extra goal to be comparable with Shankland’s scoring exploits this season.

As far as I am aware Shankland hasn’t played in the CL or EL this season, nor is he confronted with the low block as teams tend not to park the bus v Hearts, so you could argue Dessers playing against better opposition more than makes up for the deficit when compared fairly with (in your words ‘a prolific’) goal scorer such as Shankland.

Bottom line is the Shankland might be more appealing but he’s no more clinical than Dessers this season.

I certainly wouldn’t be spending money on Shankland when his conversation and accuracy is no better, in fact worse, than Dessers.

[beararse 6,937]

50 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

Can't belive folk spend hours going over stats and percentages on this guy. You only have to watch 1 single game of your choice since the summer to know he's fucking pish

Doesn’t take hours to Google then copy/paste  a stat. You must be doing it wrong. 

Genuine Question(s)

Would you buy Shankland and if so, why?

And if not, who would be your choice to replace Dessers (and Danilo for that matter, who’s no better at finishing based on the guilt edged chances he’s well and truly fucked)?

[The Godfather 75,868]

6 minutes ago, beararse said:

Doesn’t take hours to Google then copy/paste  a stat. You must be doing it wrong. 

Genuine Question(s)

Would you buy Shankland and if so, why?

And if not, who would be your choice to replace Dessers (and Danilo for that matter, who’s no better at finishing based on the guilt edged chances he’s well and truly fucked)?

I'd take Shankland because it's obvious to anyone with eyes he's a better footballer than Dessers.

Would I want better than Shankland? 100% but the market is what it is in January. 

Dessers is an awful footballer.

[BlueSuedeSambas 56,519]

beararse is definitely Dessers’ agent

Never seen somebody so desperate to go to these lengths to defend a player who the support pretty much universally agree isn’t good enough for us before. 

[CR3 12,880]

11 minutes ago, beararse said:

Genuine Question(s)

Would you buy Shankland and if so, why?

Because he’s probably the best finisher in the country, supports us and scores 20+ goals in a team who don’t create as much as us. 

[KeyserSoze 15,299]

Shankland’s head is too big for his hair 

it”s a no from me. 

[beararse 6,937]

1 hour ago, The Godfather said:

I'd take Shankland because it's obvious to anyone with eyes he's a better footballer than Dessers.

Would I want better than Shankland? 100% but the market is what it is in January. 

Dessers is an awful footballer.

Fair nuff

[beararse 6,937]

1 hour ago, CR3 said:

Because he’s probably the best finisher in the country, supports us and scores 20+ goals in a team who don’t create as much as us. 

Mmm…the best finisher in the country and yet his conversion and accuracy rates this season are worse than Dessers.

But at least he’s a Rangers man.

 

[beararse 6,937]

1 hour ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

beararse is definitely Dessers’ agent

Never seen somebody so desperate to go to these lengths to defend a player who the support pretty much universally agree isn’t good enough for us before. 

Dessers might not be that good on the eye but he’s no worse than Shankland when it comes to taking his chances this season and there is very little between them in terms of return per minutes (not per games)

Just stating facts in the face of overwhelming opinion.

[Big Al 55 9,536]

Dessers is shite

Shankland is a skilful, intelligent footballer who rarely gives the ball away and brings others into play, perfect for the low block.