esquire8 43,730 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 16/01/2024 at 17:05, Thewhitesettler said: If we win the Europa League will we get a spot in the CL groups? Just asking🙄  On 16/01/2024 at 17:14, The Beast said: Does the 3rd place team in the CL groups still drop into the EL? There's no groups next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,437 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 Looks like we missed out on this with benfica about to finish 2nd in their league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,437 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 So it looks like 2 qualifying rounds for the CL for a potential (if correct) £60 million pounds. Does anyone know the projected money for the Europa league next season? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,740 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Throwing away the title this year could set us back years. I wonder what the difference in our transfer budget would be between qualifying for the Champions League and not. 10 million? More?? OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 14,767 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 minutes ago, five stars said: Throwing away the title this year could set us back years. I wonder what the difference in our transfer budget would be between qualifying for the Champions League and not. 10 million? More?? They’ve had millions more money than us for just about every year for the last 12, and they scraped past us this season, when most of us think we were shite for about half the season. We got to the last 16 of the EL  and were maybe a bit unlucky to get through, but a large number of us want every player, bar 2 or 3, binned. Margins are very fine. 3 or 4 good signings (which we could potentially afford) could make a huge difference. It obviously won’t help, but won’t set us back years. Marco, kelvd1873 and Essandoh 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,740 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 14 minutes ago, left winger said: They’ve had millions more money than us for just about every year for the last 12, and they scraped past us this season, when most of us think we were shite for about half the season. We got to the last 16 of the EL  and were maybe a bit unlucky to get through, but a large number of us want every player, bar 2 or 3, binned. Margins are very fine. 3 or 4 good signings (which we could potentially afford) could make a huge difference. It obviously won’t help, but won’t set us back years. But, what you're missing is that they have been saving money. Spending just enough to keep them on top here but not investing heavily for European football. They have cash in the bank, and can outspend us anytime they like. It hard to believe that not getting the Champions league bounty wouldn't have a negative effect on us.   Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear no foe 2,383 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 5 hours ago, kelvd1873 said: So it looks like 2 qualifying rounds for the CL for a potential (if correct) £60 million pounds. Does anyone know the projected money for the Europa league next season? If we do qualify does that sum not get split between us and them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
left winger 14,767 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 7 minutes ago, five stars said: But, what you're missing is that they have been saving money. Spending just enough to keep them on top here but not investing heavily for European football. They have cash in the bank, and can outspend us anytime they like. It hard to believe that not getting the Champions league bounty wouldn't have a negative effect on us.   I said it wouldn't have a huge negative effect on us. As you acknowledge, and I've posted several times on here, their model is too just spend enough to stay ahead. They fucked it for 55, but we then did the same and didn't invest properly in our squad. As the two teams are so close, and they have that policy next year's CL money, or lack of it, won't set us back years.  Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 72,890 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, Fear no foe said: If we do qualify does that sum not get split between us and them? We are not qualifying with a threadbare squad in the height of a rebuild. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear no foe 2,383 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 13 minutes ago, The Godfather said: We are not qualifying with a threadbare squad in the height of a rebuild. Agree it's not very likely, was just wondering what the numbers were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Ally Scores Again! 503 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I thought the £60m banded about above was only nearer £30m Anyone who thinks the CL money won’t have a bearing on things are deluding themselves We need a rebuild on a shoestring budget… You might be able to pick up some guys in Scotland - Armstrong/Watson as 2 examples Probably at least £2m for Shankland as he enters the final year of his contract Aberdeen would hold us to ransom for Miovski Need to hope Nils Koppen has a list of young, mobile players who have already played in Holland/Belgium etc who can come in and improve us kelvd1873 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,437 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 3 hours ago, Fear no foe said: If we do qualify does that sum not get split between us and them? I’m not sure tbh mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboBearToo 403 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 3 hours ago, Fear no foe said: If we do qualify does that sum not get split between us and them? I think it's just the TV portion that gets split. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,730 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 It's more like £30m for them due to the 10 year coefficient split. If we qualify we would get about £10m less. This is before prize money for wins etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NixonRFC 1,475 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 hours ago, left winger said: They’ve had millions more money than us for just about every year for the last 12, and they scraped past us this season, when most of us think we were shite for about half the season. We got to the last 16 of the EL  and were maybe a bit unlucky to get through, but a large number of us want every player, bar 2 or 3, binned. Margins are very fine. 3 or 4 good signings (which we could potentially afford) could make a huge difference. It obviously won’t help, but won’t set us back years. Whether they scrape past us or sail past us, the problem is they just keep beating us, it's been eight seasons now since we got back into the top flight, and in that time they've won five trebles, one double and it'll be another double if we don't beat them at Hampden. That's all the while of managing to save up cash reserves of about £70m, that's without even accounting for the CL money they'll get this year, they do just enough to stay a bawhair ahead of us, but if it goes tits up, like it did in 2021, they can then blow us out the water in the transfer market and it just instantly puts us on the back foot again. Being close to them is an illussion. HG5 and RoboBearToo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 3,071 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Automatic CL qualifying is such a huge domestic advantage. Fewer early season qualifiers that disrupts your pre season, the guaranteed extra money and less matches played if you don’t drop down. Domestically our long Europa league runs have been detrimental to our post Xmas form. CL money and then full focus on the league would do for me next year. And that can set the foundations for success years after. HG5 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 3,071 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 9 hours ago, kelvd1873 said: Looks like we missed out on this with benfica about to finish 2nd in their league. What did we miss out on? Not really been following Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,730 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Just now, OrangeRab said: What did we miss out on? Not really been following Could've automatically qualified in 2nd if certain teams finished in certain positions in their league due to our 5 year coefficient. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,437 Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 1 minute ago, esquire8 said: Could've automatically qualified in 2nd if certain teams finished in certain positions in their league due to our 5 year coefficient. Was all going well apart from benfica. esquire8 and OrangeRab 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 84,145 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 6 minutes ago, NixonRFC said: Whether they scrape past us or sail past us, the problem is they just keep beating us, it's been eight seasons now since we got back into the top flight, and in that time they've won five trebles, one double and it'll be another double if we don't beat them at Hampden. That's all the while of managing to save up cash reserves of about £70m, that's without even accounting for the CL money they'll get this year, they do just enough to stay a bawhair against us, but if it goes tits up, like it did in 2021, they can then blow us out the water in the transfer market and it just instantly puts us in the back foot again. Being close to them is an illussion. Would you not just be better giving up with that mindset? Surely it’s causing you more grief than anything else when you’ve decided being close to them is an illusion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,730 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 9 minutes ago, NixonRFC said: Whether they scrape past us or sail past us, the problem is they just keep beating us, it's been eight seasons now since we got back into the top flight, and in that time they've won five trebles, one double and it'll be another double if we don't beat them at Hampden. That's all the while of managing to save up cash reserves of about £70m, that's without even accounting for the CL money they'll get this year, they do just enough to stay a bawhair ahead of us, but if it goes tits up, like it did in 2021, they can then blow us out the water in the transfer market and it just instantly puts us on the back foot again. Being close to them is an illussion. We were in a title race, won the league cup and in the Scottish Cup final with one of our worst squads since coming back up. If that's not close then what is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bydo 3,287 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 5 minutes ago, esquire8 said: We were in a title race, won the league cup and in the Scottish Cup final with one of our worst squads since coming back up. If that's not close then what is? 1 point out of 12 really isn’t close. When it matters, they show up. We can’t, and haven’t, really laid a glove on them in a meaningful game in three years. The only reason we were in a title race at all is because they got complacent and dropped points they should never have dropped given their quality. BlueAvenger and plymouthranger 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers_no1 33,160 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 24 minutes ago, esquire8 said: It's more like £30m for them due to the 10 year coefficient split. If we qualify we would get about £10m less. This is before prize money for wins etc. It was over £30m last season. The revenue has increased especially with 2 extra games. Take in gate receipts etc its at least 40m for them without any money for points gained from 8 matches. plymouthranger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers_no1 33,160 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 26 minutes ago, OrangeRab said: What did we miss out on? Not really been following If Benfica had won the league we would have got automatic entry into group stages. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,378 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 28 minutes ago, Bydo said: 1 point out of 12 really isn’t close. When it matters, they show up. We can’t, and haven’t, really laid a glove on them in a meaningful game in three years. The only reason we were in a title race at all is because they got complacent and dropped points they should never have dropped given their quality. Could also argue a major factor in our cup win was because someone else put the scum out earlier in the comp. NixonRFC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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