docspiderman 1,234 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 HIS team won 2 trophies and gave us 2 barren years with some of the worst football seen at Ibrox. His record looks good because of the team and system he inherited (similar to his terms at Motherwell and Hibs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gid 46 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 HIS team won 2 trophies and gave us 2 barren years with some of the worst football seen at Ibrox. His record looks good because of the team and system he inherited (similar to his terms at Motherwell and Hibs). Correct 100 per cent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaD CoW 3 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He is a legend. I find it baffling how a manager who was quite inept, and with a team playing poor quality football managed to have such a good record on paper. He's either very gifted or a jammy bastard. I tend to verge on the side of the latter tbh. I think he fluked his way to those titles. His signings on the whole were abysmal and he wasted so many players by putting them out of position its not real ... Lovenkrands, Averladze etc and the dropping of Klos IMO was a disgrace. I find myself agree with everything Gids said! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab 73 Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 He is a legend. I find it baffling how a manager who was quite inept, and with a team playing poor quality football managed to have such a good record on paper. He's either very gifted or a jammy bastard. I tend to verge on the side of the latter tbh. I think he fluked his way to those titles. His signings on the whole were abysmal and he wasted so many players by putting them out of position its not real ... Lovenkrands, Averladze etc and the dropping of Klos IMO was a disgrace. I find myself agree with everything Gids said! Is this a first, like? :pipehorse: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaD CoW 3 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He is a legend. I find it baffling how a manager who was quite inept, and with a team playing poor quality football managed to have such a good record on paper. He's either very gifted or a jammy bastard. I tend to verge on the side of the latter tbh. I think he fluked his way to those titles. His signings on the whole were abysmal and he wasted so many players by putting them out of position its not real ... Lovenkrands, Averladze etc and the dropping of Klos IMO was a disgrace. I find myself agree with everything Gids said! Is this a first, like? :pipehorse: Aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gid 46 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He is a legend. I find it baffling how a manager who was quite inept, and with a team playing poor quality football managed to have such a good record on paper. He's either very gifted or a jammy bastard. I tend to verge on the side of the latter tbh. I think he fluked his way to those titles. His signings on the whole were abysmal and he wasted so many players by putting them out of position its not real ... Lovenkrands, Averladze etc and the dropping of Klos IMO was a disgrace. I find myself agree with everything Gids said! Is this a first, like? :pipehorse: Yes, yes it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gleem 14 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 i don't really see him as a legend, all rangers managers are legendary once they start that job imo! :pipehorse: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean_Gene_Okerlund 8 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Let me start by saying McLeish has a lot of faults as a manager, and I often found myself screaming (not literally) for him to be removed before he did walk. Some ridiculous signings and team selections, coupled with some prolonged periods of terrible football were really, really painful for me as a Rangers fan. However here's why he IS a legend in my eyes, and it's very simple: if Alex McLeish hadn't won the two league titles he did, in the circumstances he found himself (i.e. bugger all money, no continuity, and up against a very strong UEFA Cup Final-reaching Celtic side)... we would be staring a potential 8-in-a-row down the barrel right now. I don't know about anyone else, but the very thought scares me, no matter how well Walter is now doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvager 498 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 I have very mixed feelings about him as a manager, but he ended up with more trophies than the famous MON from the E End and with a lot less money to spend. MON is a BIG CFC LEGEND too. Answer must be a YES. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEFISH 0 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Well if Albertz gets the title of legend then it surely fits Ecky....Eck is a born and bred bluenose so its.... ALEX MCLEISH THE RANGERS LEGEND YA DANCER :classier_than_pipeguy: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 A Legend is a very big word ... I would say Struth, Greig and Waddell are probably the only 3 although if Walter can pull off an encore to the 9IAR then he will definitely be right up there too. I suppose a big part of acquiring legendary status is longevity, and Eck just wasn’t here long enough for that, although continuing to deliver silver wear while halving the wage bill does make him a significant figure in the history of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdriebear 0 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 I dont like to use the word legend for a manager that left such a short time ago, but i am sure in the future i will see him as a legend. He took over an under acheiving team of players and made them believe in themselfs again. reasons for: Last 16 of champions league Helicopter sunday Winning the treble Putting rangers first when he wanted to leave Accepting shite from fans and murray and rising above it Winning the league in Oneils last season sending him from scotland with a failed season Reasons against: Some of the worst football i have ever seen at ibrox Being to easily ruled by the board Always defending players that have played badly Playing decent players out of position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouncy 315 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 no he was not , he is just a former manager for us that happen to of got us to the knockout stages of the champions league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biotechnology 2 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Jesus H Christ. I cant believe we are having this discussion.Guff fitba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briton 394 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He is a legend. I find it baffling how a manager who was quite inept, and with a team playing poor quality football managed to have such a good record on paper. He's either very gifted or a jammy bastard. I tend to verge on the side of the latter tbh. I think he fluked his way to those titles. His signings on the whole were abysmal and he wasted so many players by putting them out of position its not real ... Lovenkrands, Averladze etc and the dropping of Klos IMO was a disgrace. Oh FFS. He fluked his way to records of played 38, won 29, drew 6 and lost 3 and played 38, won 31, drew 4 and lost 3? That's some amazing fucking fluke. Minstral is right ... we did steal them. Like Minstral you are wrong. We won both titles fair and square with better league records over the 38 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poetry_In_Blue 1,043 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 When you look at the percentage of the games won to games played when in charge, he actually won more games than WS first period in charge, John Greig, William Waddell, Scot Symon, Jock Wallace, Graeme Sounness, so I would have to say he should be classed as a legend. On top of that he has left Rangers and gone on to become the Scotland manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 i don't really see him as a legend, all rangers managers are legendary once they start that job imo! :pipehorse: Did you see Paul Le Guen mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
excoriate 0 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He did inherit a talented squad but a squad in turmoil, won a treble. Cost cutting meant he lost the squad, a scouting network and a transfer budget. Had to build a new side virtually every season, with a first team squad of what seemed like 11 at times. Yet still managed to win more trophies. Imagine what the guy could've done with a little support and a few scouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He did inherit a talented squad but a squad in turmoil, won a treble. Cost cutting meant he lost the squad, a scouting network and a transfer budget. Had to build a new side virtually every season, with a first team squad of what seemed like 11 at times. Yet still managed to win more trophies. Imagine what the guy could've done with a little support and a few scouts. His record at all of his clubs follow a 'good start, terrible end' kind of pattern. Had no reason to believe that Rangers would be any different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minstral 5,375 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He is a legend. I find it baffling how a manager who was quite inept, and with a team playing poor quality football managed to have such a good record on paper. He's either very gifted or a jammy bastard. I tend to verge on the side of the latter tbh. I think he fluked his way to those titles. His signings on the whole were abysmal and he wasted so many players by putting them out of position its not real ... Lovenkrands, Averladze etc and the dropping of Klos IMO was a disgrace. Oh FFS. He fluked his way to records of played 38, won 29, drew 6 and lost 3 and played 38, won 31, drew 4 and lost 3? That's some amazing fucking fluke. Minstral is right ... we did steal them. Like Minstral you are wrong. We won both titles fair and square with better league records over the 38 games. lets get a bit of honesty here how many went to easter road and thought we could win the title, and that motherwell would beat the manky mob that day, look in the mirror and tell me you thought we would win the title, it was daylight roberry and the bookies were offering 20-1 that day that we would win the title and i did not notice a massive gamble to bet our team, but as i say it will go down as one of our greatest days in our history which i will never forget neither will the tims, but bottom line is with 5 min to go would you have given us a chance, yes no chance, the great train robbers got jailed for less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
excoriate 0 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He did inherit a talented squad but a squad in turmoil, won a treble. Cost cutting meant he lost the squad, a scouting network and a transfer budget. Had to build a new side virtually every season, with a first team squad of what seemed like 11 at times. Yet still managed to win more trophies. Imagine what the guy could've done with a little support and a few scouts. His record at all of his clubs follow a 'good start, terrible end' kind of pattern. Had no reason to believe that Rangers would be any different. Thats something that was said that I always found amusing! How many managers in the world don't follow that pattern? Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are the only 2 I can think of right now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He did inherit a talented squad but a squad in turmoil, won a treble. Cost cutting meant he lost the squad, a scouting network and a transfer budget. Had to build a new side virtually every season, with a first team squad of what seemed like 11 at times. Yet still managed to win more trophies. Imagine what the guy could've done with a little support and a few scouts. His record at all of his clubs follow a 'good start, terrible end' kind of pattern. Had no reason to believe that Rangers would be any different. Thats something that was said that I always found amusing! How many managers in the world don't follow that pattern? Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are the only 2 I can think of right now! Ranieri didn't too bad, sometimes it's just time to move on. But McLeish's teams just appeared to get worse and worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poetry_In_Blue 1,043 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He did inherit a talented squad but a squad in turmoil, won a treble. Cost cutting meant he lost the squad, a scouting network and a transfer budget. Had to build a new side virtually every season, with a first team squad of what seemed like 11 at times. Yet still managed to win more trophies. Imagine what the guy could've done with a little support and a few scouts. His record at all of his clubs follow a 'good start, terrible end' kind of pattern. Had no reason to believe that Rangers would be any different. Thats something that was said that I always found amusing! How many managers in the world don't follow that pattern? Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are the only 2 I can think of right now! Ranieri didn't too bad, sometimes it's just time to move on. But McLeish's teams just appeared to get worse and worse. Yet it was his final team who did the unthinkable and get into the last 16 of the CL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 He did inherit a talented squad but a squad in turmoil, won a treble. Cost cutting meant he lost the squad, a scouting network and a transfer budget. Had to build a new side virtually every season, with a first team squad of what seemed like 11 at times. Yet still managed to win more trophies. Imagine what the guy could've done with a little support and a few scouts. His record at all of his clubs follow a 'good start, terrible end' kind of pattern. Had no reason to believe that Rangers would be any different. Thats something that was said that I always found amusing! How many managers in the world don't follow that pattern? Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are the only 2 I can think of right now! Ranieri didn't too bad, sometimes it's just time to move on. But McLeish's teams just appeared to get worse and worse. Yet it was his final team who did the unthinkable and get into the last 16 of the CL? Ok, now before reading this understand that I don't mean to dilute or achievements, but... Did you SEE the Porto game in Bratislava v Artmedia? They had 3 shots that were going into an empty goal that were stopped on the line due to the pitch being a bog! McLeish was very very lucky that year, and were we not only like the 2nd team ever to qualify with only 7 points? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poetry_In_Blue 1,043 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Ok, now before reading this understand that I don't mean to dilute or achievements, but... Did you SEE the Porto game in Bratislava v Artmedia? They had 3 shots that were going into an empty goal that were stopped on the line due to the pitch being a bog! McLeish was very very lucky that year, and were we not only like the 2nd team ever to qualify with only 7 points? I know thank God for the weather! :classier_than_pipeguy: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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