Tartan sectarian army now officially Scotlands shame

[Renegade 0]

YOU CAN STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY UP YER ARSE

YOU CAN STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY UP YER ARSE

YOU CAN STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY

STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY

STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY UP YER ARSE

Some showing today from the bears... telling the dilute Tartan Trannies exactly what we thought of them.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN... NO SURRENDER... SEND HER VICTORIOUS!

Have they tartan army tossers screwed up badly or wot, they are deid in the waater !

Too right they are. We used to make up 90% of that support. It's now filled with Sheep Shaggers, Romanov Whores and Dundonian Teuchtars... who think throwing a haggis 100 yards is something to shout about.

A sad, SAD day for Scottish Football.

HAPPY AND GLORIOUS, LONG TO REIGN OVER US...

GO SAVE THE QUEEN!!!!

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

How's your tap dancing?

No as good as mcgweedy's

[BelgaBear 0]

YOU CAN STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY UP YER ARSE

YOU CAN STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY UP YER ARSE

YOU CAN STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY

STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY

STICK YOUR TARTAN ARMY UP YER ARSE

Some showing today from the bears... telling the dilute Tartan Trannies exactly what we thought of them.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN... NO SURRENDER... SEND HER VICTORIOUS!

How to make friends and influence people eh?

This is rapidly becoming a political issue and I fear this kind of thing is going to further alienate us from the majority of Scottish society who feel more Scottish than British.

[SuperRangers 2]

Excellent stuff from all the bears who were up at shitodrie today.

Ye can stick yer tartan army up yer arse

[*Manticore* 1,893]

Well i've read through it, quite a thread.

One issue shines out for me, a bit off topic.

Why do so many bears feel the need to criticise our Club for its signing practices?

Even if it were a 'policy', for which there is no substantial evidence - what is so wrong with a Protestant Club signing Protestant players?

Sporting Institutions throughout the World have had discriminatory signing policies - Athletic Bilbao still only sign Basque born players for example.

Have you really been so indoctrinated that you can't see that this is a non issue?

Placing a geographical restriction on who can play for a club isn't nesacerrilly discriminatory but it can be.

Take Yorkshire County Cricket Club as an example. For years they had a policy of only playing Yorkshiremen, which was fair enough. Where it became discriminatory was when it was used as an excuse to avoid playing people of Asian decent even though they had been born in Yorkshire - on the grounds that real Yorkshiremen (ie white Yorkshiremen) had parents that also came from Yorkshire.

As far as I know Athletic will play any Basque born player regardless of ethnicity or religion, which I don't think is discriminatory.

The fact that we as a club contributed to the poisonous sectarian divide in Scottish society by not signing catholics is a dark chapter in our history.

And before anyone comes on and says that there wasn't such a policy etc etc., why did WVB got such a great reaction when he answered the thread about if you owned Rangers by saying, he would get rid of all the Beads (ie catholics) and this was normal service being resumed?

Oh dear oh dear.

The lengths some bears go to to attack our Club.

We don't need enemies although we have many.

It would also help if you could work out how the 'quote' thing works.

Your comment about 'a geographical restriction' betrays a complete ignorance of equal opportunities issues.

As for sectarianism, yes it exists and has existed for some time, but our Club's Ethos was Protestant and Unionist for a long time and our signings reflect that fact.

Like septic's ethos was rc and irish republican and their signings reflect that fact.

As for your comment about our so called policy, why not answer the question instead of referring to some stranger in the internet?

What was the policy?

How did it become a 'Policy'?

How was it enforced?

Try dealing with the facts, not the shite you are spoon fed.....

How so?

Inside the UK we have geographical restrictions on certain entitlements, students from England pay top up fees if they go to a Scottish University while those from Scotland don't and non EU students pay even higher fees, but I haven't seen this challenged on the basis of equal opportunities.

As for the policy, any one who has followed Rangers for more than 20 years knows it existed. If it didn't why the fuss about Mo Jo? Why did we use to sing: "One team all prodies" and "It's magic you know, Rangers and Catholics don't go"?

The book Fear and loathing in world football has quotes from Rangers Board members in the 60s and 70s defending the policy. So if there wasn't a policy why were they defending it?

If it were them posting, I would be asking them the very same questions.

As for the 'policy' thing a lot hangs on definition, a policy is written down and approved by the relevant body, that's why I ask.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that discriminatory practices were applied, i said earlier I have no problem with a Protestant Club employing Protestants. It wouldn't work today, times move on and we have moved with them.

You say there was a fuss when Mojo signed, I ask why, because we had another rc on our playing staff at the time, but hey, if people make a fuss they must be right

And folk still sing 'It's magic you know, Rangers and Catholics don't go'. What does that prove?

On the Equal opps thing I would have thought as a 'lefty' you would be well up on such matters.

But believe me a restriction on employing people to those born in a specific area would fall foul of our legislation, unless it could be justified in non racial terms. A bit of googling will lead you to this stuff.

[*Manticore* 1,893]

How's your tap dancing?

I keep falling into the sink

I'll get ma coat

[Jelle1880 225]

Oh, sounds like a great book that

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

The book Fear and loathing in world football has quotes from Rangers Board members in the 60s and 70s defending the policy. So if there wasn't a policy why were they defending it?

Were they defending a policy ? I think not, they were defending honourable name of The Glasgow Rangers unlike the present custodians who let all and sundry drag the name and the fans through the muck !

[rfc72 0]

"so your scottish and british but want independance im normally quite talkative but youve got me lost for words"

whats so hard about this one.

everyone on hears been banging on about being scottish and british . well I am both.

we have no choice but to be both.

I`d prefer to be just scottish though.

"if you took all the bigots (your words)traditionalists(my words) out of ibrox the ground would be less than half full"

thats what all the bigots believe.

Rangers would have no problems getting supporters in if they got rid of the bigots.

You're a fucking retard. Stop bringing politics in to your justification to label Rangers fans bigots.

You ask me? I reckon you are a dirty kiddy fiddling pervert who glorifies the deaths of innocents.

That's a pretty pathetic reponse.

What did you make of Chris Hoy when he won his 3rd gold medal? he is proud to be Scottish and was in tears while singing GSTQ loud and proud

If you check your passport you will see it says you are a British citizen there for your national anthem is GSTQ whether you like it or not unless a new passport has been made available for Scottish citizens

Unfortunately this was always going to happen as many of the Tartan army members have been brain washed with all the anti-English crap.

[Dillinger 0]

Where are the Tartan Army when it comes to supporting their local Clubs?

[The Hammer 11 2,580]

ive become really disillusioned with the whole scotland situation its got to the point where i now dont give a crap what they do

[JoetheBear 0]

How's your tap dancing?

I keep falling into the sink

I'll get ma coat

I liked it, raised a smile.

[Canadaready 9,437]

How is this going to end up working out anyway? Is there steam in the press to keep this issue alive or is it dying?

[tedster 0]

Northern Irish FA demand action after Tartan Army embarass the Nation ! :unionflag:

Close parts of Hampden and do not take up ticket allocations for away games. It's the only way to deal with the FTQ brigade. Oh, a healthy fine wouldn't go amiss either.

how would that affect the SFA

[*Manticore* 1,893]

Northern Irish FA demand action after Tartan Army embarass the Nation ! :unionflag:

Close parts of Hampden and do not take up ticket allocations for away games. It's the only way to deal with the FTQ brigade. Oh, a healthy fine wouldn't go amiss either.

how would that affect the SFA

Read these posts again and give it some thought, I'm sure you'll get it eventually....

[tedster 0]

Northern Irish FA demand action after Tartan Army embarass the Nation ! :unionflag:

Close parts of Hampden and do not take up ticket allocations for away games. It's the only way to deal with the FTQ brigade. Oh, a healthy fine wouldn't go amiss either.

how would that affect the SFA

Read these posts again and give it some thought, I'm sure you'll get it eventually....

admittedly i have'nt read the full 16 pages

i'm thinking he is suggesting a boycott on SPL away matches ?

sorry if i got that wrong

[*Manticore* 1,893]

Northern Irish FA demand action after Tartan Army embarass the Nation ! :unionflag:

Close parts of Hampden and do not take up ticket allocations for away games. It's the only way to deal with the FTQ brigade. Oh, a healthy fine wouldn't go amiss either.

how would that affect the SFA

Read these posts again and give it some thought, I'm sure you'll get it eventually....

admittedly i have'nt read the full 16 pages

i'm thinking he is suggesting a boycott on SPL away matches ?

sorry if i got that wrong

I hate doing this.

I said read the posts (ie those quoted).

Not 16 pages, that would be a punishment in itself.....

It started about action relating to the TA (posted by BD).

Therefore I presume the 'away games' in question would be Internationals.

Which would affect the TA.

I'm pretty sure ECB and BD would be of one mind on such matters, such actions being the sort of things suggested to punish us bears.......

[Guest johngers]

I was making the point of how the TA let themselves down to a sheepshagger I know over MSN, and when I saw him earlier today, I was branded as anti-Scottish because I said that and I said I was in favour of the union

They really don't have a clue up here.

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

What a fuss over nothing! The fake indignation on this board is astonishing.

Most people in Scotland feel Scottish rather than British. They associate GSTQ with England who are our biggest footballing rivals and I'm not surprised it was booed (although I wouldn't have done it myself).

It's only really Rangers fans and eighty year-old women who feel any affinity with the Royal family and Britain these days (and that's probably something to do with the problems in Ulster). It is us who are in the minority these days. Although I'm not really a nationalist, it's fairly clear that Scottish independence in inevitable. It'll be interesting to see how some of our support will react to that.

Countless elections, where the opportunity for Scots to sever links with Britain, have not been taken - which tends to show the utter folly of your statement.

[1690 Posts 71]

What a fuss over nothing! The fake indignation on this board is astonishing.

Most people in Scotland feel Scottish rather than British. They associate GSTQ with England who are our biggest footballing rivals and I'm not surprised it was booed (although I wouldn't have done it myself).

It's only really Rangers fans and eighty year-old women who feel any affinity with the Royal family and Britain these days (and that's probably something to do with the problems in Ulster). It is us who are in the minority these days. Although I'm not really a nationalist, it's fairly clear that Scottish independence in inevitable. It'll be interesting to see how some of our support will react to that.

Countless elections, where the opportunity for Scots to sever links with Britain, have not been taken - which tends to show the utter folly of your statement.

You have to take into account the lies from Westminster too though. The McCrone report was buried and if it had seen the light of day back in the 70's the real possibility of Scotland's currency being stronger than Englands and Scotland having a massive surplus could have swung the vote the other way. Instead a succession of Westminster Prime Ministers have sat on this report and peddled lies about how Scotland could not support itself. The price of oil has gone up from the $20 a barrel back then to 7 or 8 times that and in the future it will only go higher still as China and India require more and ore of the stuff.

[Canadaready 9,437]

Does anyone actually think that Scottish independence would help them?

[GeertWilders 0]

Does anyone actually think that Scottish independence would help them?

No foreign companies own our whisky and the North sea has been nearly milked dry

[D'Artagnan 13,319]

Does anyone actually think that Scottish independence would help them?

No foreign companies own our whisky and the North sea has been nearly milked dry

And how do you arrive at that conclusion ?

What are you going to do...expel all foreign companies which operate in Scotland ?

Would that include all the oil companies ?

[1690 Posts 71]

Does anyone actually think that Scottish independence would help them?

It is not only for financial gain people seek independence but for self determination.

Scots did not want the Iraq war, we got it.

Scots did not want trident on the Clyde or it's replacement, we've got them, so far and what use is a missile when you need to ask America's permission to fire one?

Scots want a more socialist political rule and no Westminster party will/can supply that given that England do not vote in a majority for socialist parties. Throughout Blairs reign more people in England voted tory than any other party. The two countries, England and Scotland, are politically incompatible.

The conservatives have been all but wiped out up here since Thatcher and that is the way new labour are going because they are just tories in disguise (without the disguise!) Scotland put up with Blair for a decade because we'd had the tories for so long and we gave labour every chance to come up with policies that represent what the nation wants, they failed and are now paying the price.

New labour now find themselves in a quandary. Do they go more socialist to regain Scotland and therefore lose votes in England or do they stick with new labour and continue to lose votes in Scotland? Either way, they will no longer be a credible party in Scotland. The conservatives are not a credible party here in Scotland. The liberal democrats are not a credible party here in Scotland. Do you see where this is leading?

So, since the two big unionist parties are both such big vote losers and the SNP are running the government up here competently, you have to accept the inevitability about the route to independence.

Does anyone actually think that Scottish independence would help them?

No foreign companies own our whisky and the North sea has been nearly milked dry

Nearly half the North Sea reserves of oil have been tapped and that's with current extraction technology. As technology improves, so will the amount we can extract. New fields have yet to be discovered around the coast including off the west coast.

[Jeff crap in the head 120]

Listen to this idiot on the radio.

tic fan.

1. 3rd verse... wtf?

2. stems way way back bought and sold for english gold? wtf....

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR COUNTRY?!?!?!?!?

Unfortunately many things my friend. It doesn't help one jot when an over-compensated minority don't even recognise themselves as Scottish (which they are) nevermind British (which the also are). Then you have the others who are fervently anti-British/English/Monarch. In between you have the silent majority who are either too apathetic or scared to speak up and teach these morons some sense.

To be completely honest, I bet Canadians would cheer GSTQ. We still sing it here on certain occasions and definetely as a country celebrate our roots. I find it shocking that it goes on.

As well, didn't the crown of the two nations unite when King James VI of Scotland became King James I of England in the 1600s ffs?

The real divide in GB was made clear in the 45', with the majority protestant lowlanders helping to stamp out the rebels.

Actually the numbers of Protestant Highland clans supporting the government (my own included) and Catholic clans in support of Charlie were very similar - a fact that frankly gets up my nostril when I read a lot of disparaging comments about "teuchters" on this MB.

Sorry DP, should have mentioned some clans helped the government forces. My district manager in London is a Mackay