Sweetheart 8,458 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 18 minutes ago, BloodRunsBlue said: I'd imagine that its a bit like the independence question, in reverse. They can call for and hold as many referendums as they are allowed, but if indy was ever to happen, there would be no chance of a referendum to reverse it. Now that RF is under the Club1872 umbrella/control, I doubt there is any way they can split up now. Im sure the leeches who had it all planned out would make sure of that. Just my opinion though. Thanks for your reply. I was thinking there may be a clause in the contract that they could leave Club1872. RF was very successful as a stand alone group. I can't help but think joining Club1872 has damaged that success and allowed them to be manipulated. I also think the vote to merge was rushed. Beaujolais and BloodRunsBlue 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Taipan said: I disagree CB, first on the agenda has to be the writing of a constitution that any new board member can rely on, we have to end the cycle of the only solution to dispute among the members' board being resignation. Second would be a Code of Conduct for directors. Then we can progress to elections, maybe with that in place the good people representing us we have lost will return. The COI situation should have been dealt with ages ago when James Blair was elected, if this had been addressed clearly and written into the constitution it would have mitigated the risk of the CH action and given the other directors the authority to 'bin' him for a breach of the constitution. Taipan and Sweetheart 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Smile said: Dunno could easily just be someone winding others up. Perhaps the confirmed bachelor got the gig? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: The COI situation should have been dealt with ages ago when James Blair was elected, if this had been addressed clearly and written into the constitution it would have mitigated the risk of the CH action and given the other directors the authority to 'bin' him for a breach of the constitution. This is where it was messy imo. the constitution was written before the board were elected and the people involved in writing the constitution had COI Smile 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRunsBlue 1,303 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: Thanks for your reply. I was thinking there may be a clause in the contract that they could leave Club1872. RF was very successful as a stand alone group. I can't help but think joining Club1872 has damaged that success and allowed them to be manipulated. I also think the vote to merged was rushed. You may be right Sweetheart, that was just my opinion. Based on the fact I don't trust that shower one bit. Never have and I never will. To me, RF success and the pace it was bringing in fans money was the reason the jackals just had to get control of it. That's why I cant see the "takeover" of RF being reversed. Anyone who put their hard earned into there was stitched up and robbed, which is a scandal. Bobby Hume, Sweetheart and dougie76 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Sweetheart said: This is where it was messy imo. the constitution was written before the board were elected and the people involved in writing the constitution had COI Surely if this is true, not doubting you, then the board once in place would have to have ratified the constitution? Given their legal and collective business experience they haven't exactly played a blinder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted March 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Blue72 said: Who is drafting the constitution? Clearly you need the input of an experienced lawyer and not have amateurs writing something that may be relied on as a legal founding document of an organisation that controls upwards of £1m in assets. With a detailed, well planned and designed constitution issues like this can be resolved properly. Without it the organisation will never have the appropriate structures in place to ensure an acceptable level of accountability, appropriate procedures in place to manage conduct and COI concerns and there is no mechanism to consider the input of the wider membership in issues of this type. Im glad I didn't get involved in c1872 it had turned out, as most of you have said, as a disaster. I respect D'Art for giving it a shot but even one person with competence and principles can't effect change where the structures are not in place to manage the organisation and where other directors are so clearly lacking in ability, experience and values. If the constitution is still being written then that in itself is a joke, FFS the US constitution was written in four months. The Beast, Smile, Sweetheart and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Just now, BloodRunsBlue said: You may be right Sweetheart, that was just my opinion. Based on the fact I don't trust that shower one bit. Never have and I never will. To me, RF success and the pace it was bringing in fans money was the reason the jackals just had to get control of it. That's why I cant see the "takeover" of RF being reversed. Anyone who put their hard earned into there was stitched up and robbed, which is a scandal. I believe you may be correct I can't counter that argument in the debate as I think RF could have succeeded at Fan ownership at the rate they were going, I believe this raised a threat to the concert party's plans. BloodRunsBlue 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 1 hour ago, K.A.I said: I'm not splitting hairs but that will be Pedros choice, he's not even met King yet. the problem is we've got too many people in and around the club who will have thrown names like John Brown at him - id be amazed if he'd have even heard of John Brown until a week or so ago If he does get the job, please Gawd no, then Pedro better watch his back. Brown has a track-record of backstabbing to get on at Rangers, how did he get the youth gig previously. BloodRunsBlue 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: Surely if this is true, not doubting you, then the board once in place would have to have ratified the constitution? Given their legal and collective business experience they haven't exactly played a blinder. No idea, It's just one of many questions that need answers. siddiqi_drinker 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 13,073 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: If the constitution is still being written then that in itself is a joke, FFS the US constitution was written in four months. Loved that post mate ..... "they" will of course argue that Club 1872's constitution is more important than some wee country far far away ..... siddiqi_drinker, Blue Avenger and thebooler 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodRunsBlue 1,303 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: If he does get the job, please Gawd no, then Pedro better watch his back. Brown has a track-record of backstabbing to get on at Rangers, how did he get the youth gig previously. I wonder if Pedro has seen his manic, drunken rant on the steps siddiqi_drinker, Bobby Hume and Bears r us 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: The COI situation should have been dealt with ages ago when James Blair was elected, if this had been addressed clearly and written into the constitution it would have mitigated the risk of the CH action and given the other directors the authority to 'bin' him for a breach of the constitution. Neither Blair nor Whitney should have been allowed to stand due to their respective COI's, which says more about 72's constitution than it does them. Sweetheart and Bears r us 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 19 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: If the constitution is still being written then that in itself is a joke, FFS the US constitution was written in four months. Wasn't the working party the ones who wrote the constitution did they not say finalising the constitution was why there was a delay for the election of the directors? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeneily 1,460 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Virtuoso said: They really should proof read before releasing a statement... Yeah, "The Director feel the blog contains inaccuracies". Couldn't make it up. Corporate experience but failed O grade English. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eskbankloyal 19,446 Posted March 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2017 Been busy at work today so only getting time now to properly digest that horrific 'statement' from Club 1872. I find it offensive as a member that the 4 remaining Directors think it os acceptable to label 3 fellow Bears in D'Art, Laura & Joanne as liars and try to besmirch their character. To question their professionalism, whilst penning a statement that in parts did not make sense, contained spelling and grammatical errors probably sums it up. At the same time, guys on FF & Twitter are posting content that can only have come from the remaining Directors - unprofessionalism indeed. If CH going to a meeting a week before an interview with the interviewer being present is not deemed to be an issue by the current board then I don't really have much else to say. I was a massive supporter of Club 1872 and I still believe it is a key feature of our support and has massive potential but unfortunately the behaviour of some has made me so disillusioned with the concept that if something drastic doesn't happen in the next few weeks I will be cancelling my membership which will be a sad day. Bobby Hume, The Beast, cstamomusa and 13 others 16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Sweetheart said: Agreed. Question: If RF are not satisfied on how Club1872 are being run and wished to leave the Club1872, could they pull out if members voted that they wished do so? As far as I know that would be a no. Sweetheart 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,798 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Taipan said: Members' meeting it is: This statement tells me that the Rangers board are happy with the 4 that put out this statement. BloodRunsBlue, Bobby Hume, jintybear and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taipan 580 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 55 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: This is where it was messy imo. the constitution was written before the board were elected and the people involved in writing the constitution had COI The constitution hasn't been written yet, Club1872 operates under standard articles (see minutes of January meeting). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Taipan said: The constitution hasn't been written yet, Club1872 operates under standard articles (see minutes of January meeting). Thanks i'm aware of that but I was referring to the working party and there role in setting up Club1872. There was many a debate on here as to why they were writing the constitution and the pro's and con's of them doing so Edit: If it is the case then does RF have a way to vote themselves out of this union? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 25 minutes ago, eskbankloyal said: guys on FF & Twitter are posting content that can only have come from the remaining Directors - unprofessionalism indeed. can u elaborate bud? Sweetheart 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue72 1,102 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 55 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: If the constitution is still being written then that in itself is a joke, FFS the US constitution was written in four months. Agreed, would've been done in a few months max if it was tendered/contracted out to a firm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taipan 580 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Sweetheart said: Thanks for your reply. I was thinking there may be a clause in the contract that they could leave Club1872. RF was very successful as a stand alone group. I can't help but think joining Club1872 has damaged that success and allowed them to be manipulated. I also think the vote to merge was rushed. 27 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: As far as I know that would be a no. The members of Rangers First 2014 CIC transferred, by consensus, their memberships into Club1872 Ltd, the RST members did the same. That can only be reversed by all the members of Club1872 consenting to a reversal, but that's in theory because until the constitution is written the members of Club1872 are the shareholders. Rangers First 2014 CIC has been renamed as Club 1872 Share Ownership CIC. Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: As far as I know that would be a no. Provided all is legit and complies with the Companies Act and related statutes and there has been no prejuduce. Otherwise this and/or those objectives and promises made that the membership voted on for merger have not been fulfilled for whatever reason, then a demerger is legally possible and not uncommon. I do not know the structure of '72 as to who owns what, but in principle it should be doable, albeit complex and costly. Sweetheart and Courtyard Bear 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuoso 27,180 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: If the constitution is still being written then that in itself is a joke, FFS the US constitution was written in four months. I thought that James Blair (a lawyer) had ratified the consitution - so how is it still being written? Sweetheart 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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