Compliance procedure unfit for purpose

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

This is all pretty sickening TBH. It disgusts me.

The system is well rigged. Whilst we need justice, so does the rest of Scottish football.

Time for the club to lead and go on the attack with this one. Full independent inquiry needed. 

As in the paedophile cover up, it's not hard to join up all the dots.

A stand against these corrupt cunts has to be made.

The game, the authorities, the system needs wholesale change. The game in this backwater is not only a laughing stock, but a corrupt laugh stock.

 

[Sweetheart 8,458]

On 10/02/2019 at 16:34, Bad Robot said:

You need to fight on many fronts.

Agreed but the board could hire a legal team to take on the main protagonists.

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THE Scottish FA should follow the lead of the FA in England and invest more money into their disciplinary department in order to quell the growing unrest over retrospective punishments in the wake of some high-profile controversies. That was the advice from Graham Bean, the FA’s first ever compliance officer and a football consultant who advises Premier League clubs, managers and players down south on disciplinary matters, yesterday.

celtic released a statement last month expressing their surprise that Alfredo Morelos, the Rangers striker, had not been cited following a series of incidents in the Ladbrokes Premiership match at Ibrox at the end of December.

And both Steven Gerrard, the Rangers manager, and Steve Clarke, his Kilmarnock counterpart, last week expressed a desire to see consistency in the sanctions handed out by the governing body.

Bean, who is also the chief executive of National League club Chesterfield, feels Clare Whyte, the current SFA compliance officer, would be helped in her role by having improved infrastructure and urged her employers to consider expanding her department.

“The FA system in England is a lot more consistent than the FA system in Scotland,” he said. “That is for a number of reasons. One of them is you only have a sole compliance officer. I can appreciate the difficulties she faces.

“When I joined the FA back in 1999 I was the only compliance officer. Now the whole compliance department at the FA in Londonnumbers about 30 staff.

Consequently, it is a lot more structured and that means they can deal with a lot more incidents in a far more consistent manner.

“There aren’t as many inconsistent decisions. That is quite good because it means everybody is getting a fair crack of the whip. I can understand why players and managers get upset at the lack of consistency because, quite simply, it is an unfair system.

“That comes down to the fact there is a lack of investment from the Scottish FA in developing the department. They could take a leaf out of the English FA’s book. They could go and visit them and see how they have developed their department over a number of years.

Nowadays, in fairness to the FA, there is a level of consistency that is acceptable. “There will always be cases which slip through the net, but the reality of it is the English FA do get the vast majority of the decisions right in terms of the consistency and application of the regulations.

With some investment the Scottish FA could make sure it gets to the same level.

“I probably suffered what the SFA compliance officer is suffering. Because there was only one of me I couldn’t review every single incident of every single game.  A lot of the time you were having to react to issues rather than being proactive on issues.

“I remember when I was the compliance officer having a meeting with Davie Moyes when he was the manager at Preston North End. The English FA had taken action against one of his players.

He had a list of half a dozen incidents where we hadn’t taken any action and he questioned me why that was. The reality was we didn’t have the manpower to deal with it.”

Whyte, who succeeded Tony McGlennan as SFA compliance officer back in August, regularly consults with her counterparts at all of the Home Nations associations and the extensive changes which were made to the judicial process last year were heavily influenced by those of the FA. She is also assisted extensively by other members of staff in the disciplinary department in her daily duties.

But Bean added: “The problem comes down to manpower and the fact the compliance officer in Scotland is effectively a one woman band. If the Scottish FA want to be serious about this they have to invest in it very much like the English FA did by bringing in a more structured system that is consequently a more consistent and fair system for the game as a whole.

“It has been proven that if you invest money in discipline and compliance areas, in the right people and the right training, then you do get consistent results out of it. Clearly that is what the Scottish FA need to do.

“It isn’t a criticism of the incumbent compliance officer. She is working with the tools she has been given. The Scottish FA need to put some money into this and build the department.

Look at the success the English FA have had. They could get that consistency in their organisation.

” The SFA compliance officer initiates retrospective disciplinary action against a player if an incident, or an exceptional part of an incident, has been missed by the match official at the time and once three independent experts have all unanimously agreed it constituted a sending off offence.

However, Bean is vehemently opposed to “re-refereeing” games and believes that only off-the-ball incidents that have been missed by the referee and his assistants should be looked at once the final whistle has blown.

“What you are essentially doing is re-refereeing the game and I don’t agree with that,” he said. “It isn’t in the spirit of the game, it doesn’t respect the authority of the referee. I am not a fan of retrospective action.

“If we are going to deal with incidents retrospectively and re-referee the game – and effectively a group of football administrators with no experience of playing the game at a professional level are re-refereeing a football game – there must be a high level of consistency about it. And the simple fact is that there isn’t.”

Bean continued: “Given the referee’s expertise at professional level, you would expect then to get the decisions right. If he gets it wrong it is a big thing to for a referee to say: ‘I got that wrong, I need to rectify it’. I would suggest he is covering his own reputation.

“Even if you review it it still comes down to people’s interpretation and opinion. The difference being they can look at it from different angles and in slow motion until they come to a decision.

“In terms of off the ball incidents that take place when a referee isn’t watching, like somebody punching another player, then of course there needs to be punishment for that.

“If the referee has failed to apply the laws of the game correctly then it should be him who is dealt with by the football authorities. He should face penalties, suspension from the game or whatever. It shouldn’t just be a player or a club who suffer because of a referee’s incompetence.

“I am firmly of the view, and always have been, that a challenge should be judged by the referee at that time. We shouldn’t be revisiting it. It is a minefield.”

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IF we are to continue with the CO charade, this guy makes some very pertinent points.

[Negri's lovechild 14,055]

That s an excellent interview. Lots of good, balanced things in there. They don't seem interested in improving things though

[SeparateEntityMyArse 53,725]

7 minutes ago, Negri's lovechild said:

That s an excellent interview. Lots of good, balanced things in there. They don't seem interested in improving things though

They'll refuse to accept it's flaws or that its not working. There's no need for them to as the desired beneficiary is indeed benefitting. 

I'd started highlighting key points in the article and soon realised I'd as much highlighted as not. Funny what those out with see that those up here don't...

[Negri's lovechild 14,055]

1 minute ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

They'll refuse to accept it's flaws or that its not working. There's no need for them to as the desired beneficiary is indeed benefitting. 

I'd started highlighting key points in the article and soon realised I'd as much highlighted as not. Funny what those out with see that those up here don't...

Refreshing to see a viewpoint that is suggesting things without an agenda and for the sole purpose of improving a flawed system. 

It'll never catch on! 

Modern Scotland is an arrogant, bitter little country.

[Blumhoilann 6,712]

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I can't help but think the rest of Scottish Football would rather see celtic do as they want (even if it's to their clubs own detriment) provided it impacts negatively on us. 

They are being played like a fiddle. 

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31 minutes ago, Blumhoilann said:

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That's a decent article and if the SFA don't take action on celtic's  participation by allowing filming at their ground and quotes from employees, then surely questions have to be asked.

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On 10/02/2019 at 23:26, Blue Avenger said:

This is all pretty sickening TBH. It disgusts me.

The system is well rigged. Whilst we need justice, so does the rest of Scottish football.

Time for the club to lead and go on the attack with this one. Full independent inquiry needed. 

As in the paedophile cover up, it's not hard to join up all the dots.

A stand against these corrupt cunts has to be made.

The game, the authorities, the system needs wholesale change. The game in this backwater is not only a laughing stock, but a corrupt laugh stock.

 

Not one like 

Fucking weird bunch on here 

[eejay the dj 31,964]

1 hour ago, Blumhoilann said:

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Wee taig boot 

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47 minutes ago, The Wire said:

I can't help but think the rest of Scottish Football would rather see celtic do as they want (even if it's to their clubs own detriment) provided it impacts negatively on us. 

They are being played like a fiddle. 

You could be right it seems very often 

Ala Hivs not even complaining last week 

That for me was almost incredible 

[BLUEDIGNITY 33,647]

On 10 February 2019 at 23:26, Blue Avenger said:

This is all pretty sickening TBH. It disgusts me.

The system is well rigged. Whilst we need justice, so does the rest of Scottish football.

Time for the club to lead and go on the attack with this one. Full independent inquiry needed. 

As in the paedophile cover up, it's not hard to join up all the dots.

A stand against these corrupt cunts has to be made.

The game, the authorities, the system needs wholesale change. The game in this backwater is not only a laughing stock, but a corrupt laugh stock.

 

This compliance farce is years of planning like their takeover of councils, media, legal, politics and the positioning of their own in major decision making jobs aided and abetted by the likes of dr death in this wee parochial backwater of ours enabling them to punish competitors whilst they remain white as the driven snow even though their crimes are in some cases ten fold, in fact they are lauded regularly now top of the 'fair play' league although it's tainted just like their titles. But tainted or not it's happening because ours won't tackle them head on, still deluding themselves with dignified silence and building false bridges which that mob only laugh at behind their backs, our players getting kicked in the face whilst their captain commits regulars assaults and goes Scot free, what is it going to take to defend the realm ? Somebody getting a serious head injury ? And please no more weak meaningless statements that just disappear into the sands of time. Get some serious PR in and defend the faith, those that are there are not fit for purpose.

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17 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:

This compliance farce is years of planning like their takeover of councils, media, legal, politics and the positioning of their own in major decision making jobs aided and abetted by the likes of dr death in this wee parochial backwater of ours enabling them to punish competitors whilst they remain white as the driven snow even though their crimes are in some cases ten fold, in fact they are lauded regularly now top of the 'fair play' league although it's tainted just like their titles. But tainted or not it's happening because ours won't tackle them head on, still deluding themselves with dignified silence and building false bridges which that mob only laugh at behind their backs, our players getting kicked in the face whilst their captain commits regulars assaults and goes Scot free, what is it going to take to defend the realm ? Somebody getting a serious head injury ? And please no more weak meaningless statements that just disappear into the sands of time. Get some serious PR in and defend the faith, those that are there are not fit for purpose.

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19 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:

This compliance farce is years of planning like their takeover of councils, media, legal, politics and the positioning of their own in major decision making jobs aided and abetted by the likes of dr death in this wee parochial backwater of ours enabling them to punish competitors whilst they remain white as the driven snow even though their crimes are in some cases ten fold, in fact they are lauded regularly now top of the 'fair play' league although it's tainted just like their titles. But tainted or not it's happening because ours won't tackle them head on, still deluding themselves with dignified silence and building false bridges which that mob only laugh at behind their backs, our players getting kicked in the face whilst their captain commits regulars assaults and goes Scot free, what is it going to take to defend the realm ? Somebody getting a serious head injury ? And please no more weak meaningless statements that just disappear into the sands of time. Get some serious PR in and defend the faith, those that are there are not fit for purpose.

Sounds about right to me, the only thing i'd add is the financial fixing, because in a planned operation like you describe they would have known they would get the financial benefits

[gogzy 31,195]

On 08/02/2019 at 22:20, BridgeIsBlue said:

 

The big difference between those two are that Brown sees, knows and is looking at exactly what he is doing.  Shagger has the ball cradled in arms and his head tucked to his chest not looking.

Both should be red cards though IMO as they are both dangerous tackles.

[Bears r us 30,798]

5 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

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IF we are to continue with the CO charade, this guy makes some very pertinent points.

Yes he does and it seems to work fairly well down south, but the problem I see is that Scotland has people in the media determined to highlight incidents against us but not against the tarriers and unless that part is removed it will never change IMO.

I do not think the same will apply in England.

[Bears r us 30,798]

33 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said:

This compliance farce is years of planning like their takeover of councils, media, legal, politics and the positioning of their own in major decision making jobs aided and abetted by the likes of dr death in this wee parochial backwater of ours enabling them to punish competitors whilst they remain white as the driven snow even though their crimes are in some cases ten fold, in fact they are lauded regularly now top of the 'fair play' league although it's tainted just like their titles. But tainted or not it's happening because ours won't tackle them head on, still deluding themselves with dignified silence and building false bridges which that mob only laugh at behind their backs, our players getting kicked in the face whilst their captain commits regulars assaults and goes Scot free, what is it going to take to defend the realm ? Somebody getting a serious head injury ? And please no more weak meaningless statements that just disappear into the sands of time. Get some serious PR in and defend the faith, those that are there are not fit for purpose.

Great post mate, we need a real shake up in our PR department, it seems totally inept and how our board cannot see that is concerning to say the least. We need to defeat the tarriers off the pitch as well as on if we are going to get 55 any time soon.

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9 minutes ago, gogzy said:

The big difference between those two are that Brown sees, knows and is looking at exactly what he is doing.  Shagger has the ball cradled in arms and his head tucked to his chest not looking.

Both should be red cards though IMO as they are both dangerous tackles.

Fair discussion about what should have been the refs actions during the game. But retrospectively, it's chalk and cheese 

Brown challenge continues not contested.

McGregor had the Compliance Officer charge him despite blatant evidence demonstrating they are not adhering to their own legislation.

Disciplinary Rule allegedly breached:Disciplinary Rule 200 : Where any one of the sending off offences of (A1) serious foul play, (A2) violent conduct, and (A3) spitting at an opponent or other person is committed by a player at a match, but that sending off offence was not seen by any of the match officials at the timethat it was committed the mandatory suspension for that sending off offence as provided for in Annex C of the Judicial Panel Protocol shall be applied to the player.

 

To charge him is a fundamental breach of their policy. To find him guilty of it will incorporate lies against demonstrable evidence and will demonstrate undoubted corruptness. 

We'll see which it is.

[gogzy 31,195]

On 10/02/2019 at 18:15, Robmc1 said:

These stats are truly astounding, especially when viewed with the accompanying footage. How have we even sleep walked to this stage where there can be such a disparity between ourselves the them. A sad reflection of the unhealthy level of influence and control they have at the moment...

Despite it all we are only a 2 game swing from being back at the top of the table.  They must be truly shitting themselves.

[Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,686]

Alan Power was cleared for his disgraceful assult on Jack.

[Supersonic 4,654]

Fucking disgrace. If Jack was on the other end he'd be sitting the next few out for certain!

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2 minutes ago, Straight-Edge-Loyal said:

Alan Power was cleared for his disgraceful assult on Jack.

Yep and the hivs boy given 2 for tackle on Izzy-gear-ready 🤬

[ForeverAndEver 71,501]

1 minute ago, DiamondBear said:

Yep and the hivs boy given 2 for tackle on Izzy-gear-ready 🤬

Wut  

Shambles that though, hope somebody leaves the prick with a broke leg