rangers_1993 68 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Rangers have been warned that a successful court appeal against their one-year transfer embargo could end up with them being kicked out of football.The Ibrox club, who expect to publish Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) proposals on Tuesday morning - after yet another delay - will be back in the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Tuesday, seeking a judicial review of the 12-month signing ban imposed by an independent SFA panel.But leading sports lawyer Dan Chapman, of Full Contact Law, told Sportsmail: 'If the courts were to say that they wished to overturn the transfer ban, the SFA will have to say they don't recognise the decision of the court.'And, if Rangers want to impose the decision upon them, the SFA will have no choice but to expel them. Otherwise, the game is in utter disarray and anarchy, with no one paying any attention to a decision by the governing body.'If the Court of Session find in favour of Rangers, the SFA certainly don't have to accept.'They will say: "If you want us to accept that, you are further breaching the rules - which means we'll expel you. In that case, your legal remedy is pretty pointless because you're no longer a club allowed to play in our leagues".'It would be a futile victory. It seems to be that, for want of a better expression, it's been a bit of a cock-up.'While the case in Edinburgh resumeson Tuesday , Rangers have also promised to publish details of the pence-in-the-pound offer to creditors needed to deliver the club from administration. Having initially scheduled to issue a CVA last week and again yesterday, Duff & Phelps last night blamed 'administrative alterations' for the delay - but insisted that Rangers could be out of administration by June 14.Paul Clark, joint administrator, said last night: 'A formal notice of the CVA meetings will be sent to all creditors and shareholders of the club tomorrow, providing further details of the CVA process.'The proposal will offer the best return for all stakeholders.'If approved by creditors, the CVA proposal will rescue the company and finally enable it to exit administration. 'Details of the CVA proposal have been finalised today and there has been additional consultation with certain stakeholders.'Rangers supporters should be reassured the CVA process is on track. The creditors' meeting to consider and, hopefully, approve the CVA will be held on Thursday, June 14.' The CVA letter will trigger a £3m payment from would-be owner Charles Green, who has repeatedly refused to name all of the investors involved in his mystery consortium. Rangers will now need major creditors, including HMRC and Ticketus, to agree to the terms in order to avoid taking the newco route out of administration - incurring further footballing penalties. The SPL have confirmed, meanwhile, that Rangers have been granted a 'period of grace' over submission of accounts. Officially without an SFA licence until they provide the documentation, the league have given them until June 15 to fulfil requirements. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 We won't be expelled because we pay the bills Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bufforbero 128 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 How likely would expulsion be though?I really can't understand how a football association can be above the law of the land either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnymate1690 652 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 i would love to see us force the SFA hand if this happened , they would absolutley shite themselves if they had consider it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIJoe 98 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 How likely would expulsion be though?I really can't understand how a football association can be above the law of the land either.Exactly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Negri's Beard 1,423 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 So, to sum up, we're fucked if we lose the appeal because we'll lose a lot of players and won't be able to replace them, but if we win the appeal, the SFA will just chuck us out of the game?ExcellentI'm dismissing this as bullshit. Surely we wouldn't be making such an appeal if we were aware that any success would lead to our expulsion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermopylae 15,287 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Exactly if the sfa said right no cafflics in Scottish football is this chapman character saying it wouldn't end up in court Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Rangers have been warned that a successful court appeal against their one-year transfer embargo could end up with them being kicked out of football.The Ibrox club, who expect to publish Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) proposals on Tuesday morning - after yet another delay - will be back in the Court of Session in Edinburgh on Tuesday, seeking a judicial review of the 12-month signing ban imposed by an independent SFA panel.But leading sports lawyer Dan Chapman, of Full Contact Law, told Sportsmail: 'If the courts were to say that they wished to overturn the transfer ban, the SFA will have to say they don't recognise the decision of the court.'And, if Rangers want to impose the decision upon them, the SFA will have no choice but to expel them. Otherwise, the game is in utter disarray and anarchy, with no one paying any attention to a decision by the governing body.'If the Court of Session find in favour of Rangers, the SFA certainly don't have to accept.'They will say: "If you want us to accept that, you are further breaching the rules - which means we'll expel you. In that case, your legal remedy is pretty pointless because you're no longer a club allowed to play in our leagues".'It would be a futile victory. It seems to be that, for want of a better expression, it's been a bit of a cock-up.'While the case in Edinburgh resumeson Tuesday , Rangers have also promised to publish details of the pence-in-the-pound offer to creditors needed to deliver the club from administration. Having initially scheduled to issue a CVA last week and again yesterday, Duff & Phelps last night blamed 'administrative alterations' for the delay - but insisted that Rangers could be out of administration by June 14.Paul Clark, joint administrator, said last night: 'A formal notice of the CVA meetings will be sent to all creditors and shareholders of the club tomorrow, providing further details of the CVA process.'The proposal will offer the best return for all stakeholders.'If approved by creditors, the CVA proposal will rescue the company and finally enable it to exit administration. 'Details of the CVA proposal have been finalised today and there has been additional consultation with certain stakeholders.'Rangers supporters should be reassured the CVA process is on track. The creditors' meeting to consider and, hopefully, approve the CVA will be held on Thursday, June 14.' The CVA letter will trigger a £3m payment from would-be owner Charles Green, who has repeatedly refused to name all of the investors involved in his mystery consortium. Rangers will now need major creditors, including HMRC and Ticketus, to agree to the terms in order to avoid taking the newco route out of administration - incurring further footballing penalties. The SPL have confirmed, meanwhile, that Rangers have been granted a 'period of grace' over submission of accounts. Officially without an SFA licence until they provide the documentation, the league have given them until June 15 to fulfil requirements.Whit a load of pish defy the court of session and it is pokey time ya mental bastard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachothelegend 1,932 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 What a load of shit.They need us too much.Without us their shitty League is done.Ive had enough of this shitty Association .No Club no Country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 The person who wrote this is essentially saying that the SFA have a higher power of law than a recognised Court Of Session.Which is clearly ridiculous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdriebluenose 351 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 You not telling us who wrote that? Cause whoever it was is a dick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Scottish Premier league can't exist without Rangers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutchy WATP 462 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 You not telling us who wrote that? Cause whoever it was is a dick.John Greechan from the Daily Mail but it was some "leading sports lawyer" Dan Chapman that's been quoted in the article Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaguy51 912 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Scottish Premier league can't exist without Rangers.You have no idea how much I want to see them try. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Even if they were daft enough to cut their own throats and expel us we'd be back in court because of the unjust and excessive punishment of the club and it's fans. How can a club be punished for the actions of one man and his subordinate who they admit issued instructions that financial matters were not to be discussed without his express permission. Remember this doesn't include TBC in which other directors at least had some knowledge although to a limited in extent I believe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithgersbear 3,225 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 You have no idea how much I want to see them try.True lol. But they must know it just would not survive, interest would not exist to keep it going. It needs more oxygen, not pulling the bloody plug out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmond7 1,076 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 If the Court of Session ruled in our favour, and the SFA chose to ignore their ruling and expel us, I'm pretty sure we would be back in court and get the SPL season suspended, as well as the fact those members of the SFA who chose to ignore a court ruling would be in danger of contempt of court. Whatever FIFA, UEFA, the SFA or any other of these cretins believe, they are not and never will be above the law laid down in the courts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachothelegend 1,932 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 The Daily Mail. Its full of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevotrueblue 382 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I think the point this guy is trying to make is that by us going to a civil court we are in breach of FIFA rules. FIFA will instruct the SFA therefore to deal with it quickly or risk themselves being punished with the likes of scotland ie national side, and all clubs getting a world ban by FIFA. The rules do state that one such sanction they can impose is expulsion,,im not sure but I think FIFA can also direct them on such action also. If we stick to our guns tho, its a lose lose for the SFA,but if FIFA step in we could well be shooting ourself in the foot. Either way its dodgy ground and hard now for either us or the SFA to back out and still save face. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissg910 110 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 yous are all missing the obv solution,the spl would just break away from the sfa alltogether and no longer recognise it as governing body. we are already near enough at this stage when we dont even need an sfa licence to play in the spl next season.what a load of nonsense article. papers should be shut down for even printing bullshit like this.sport more powerful than the law lmao. next time anyone gets the jail for something tell them u want to be tried by the sfa (scrub that u would get the death sentence for a breach of the peace) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Atheist 178 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Let them kick us out.Rather that than accept a bullshit punishment that somebody just made up on the spot.In the interest of "sporting integrity", of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianb1547 3,767 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 worrying thing for me was that D&P didnt know about the uefa/fifa statutes that prohibits teams from taking their national associations to the civil courts.Sion did it after they were kicked out of Europa League and FIFA threatened swiss fa unless they "imposed their authority" on Sion. Swiss FA deducted Sion 36 points.If they hadnt done that, then FIFA were going to kick Switzerland out of World Cup and their national champions out of Champions League.............................all just seems a mess Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray 105 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 worrying thing for me was that D&P didnt know about the uefa/fifa statutes that prohibits teams from taking their national associations to the civil courts.Sion did it after they were kicked out of Europa League and FIFA threatened swiss fa unless they "imposed their authority" on Sion. Swiss FA deducted Sion 36 points.If they hadnt done that, then FIFA were going to kick Switzerland out of World Cup and their national champions out of Champions League.............................all just seems a messThat isn't what he said. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_Caldow 60 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 You have no idea how much I want to see them try.The political repercussions would amazing. No Rangers, no money in Scottish football, SFL and SPL trying to talk nice to English FA. Alex Salmond would be choking on his already oversized thyroid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobatai 70 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 We won't be expelled because we pay the bills Well, at pence in the pound, if the CVA goes through. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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