jcb 1,167 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I may be wrong but is the Upper Tier thing not about them v us so to speak but them v the current law, they aren't arguing that we were wrong they are arguing the current law is wrong.What they (HMRC) are saying is that both Rae & Muir have erred on points of law when reaching thier verdicts at the FTTT.No witnesses or new evidence will be heard, just argument & counter- argument on the interpretation of how the law was applied. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What they (HMRC) are saying is that both Rae & Muir have erred on points of law when reaching thier verdicts at the FTTT.No witnesses or new evidence will be heard, just argument & counter- argument on the interpretation of how the law was applied.It was reached as the law cannot be implemented retrospectively, even after a change in the law, as it was legal when it was implemented. There will be the usual wrangling about the one who disagreed but that will fold as the UTTT will be hugely unwilling to over rule a decision already made with no further reasoning.COS will or should have nothing to do with this and should just wash their hands as due process has taken place.Doesn't effect us as it is anyway, the new company is not liable for any ruling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Doesn't effect us as it is anyway, the new company is not liable for any ruling.It could effect us indirectly as some posters will blame Ally and the board Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern 11,329 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 It could effect us indirectly as some posters will blame Ally and the board yeah and the bheast will call us Zombies and cheating H*ns, deary me how will we survive?EdIt: I need a loan, may pop down to the co-op in the morning and call myself O'Rielly, bound to get an awesome deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLawMan 6,240 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Scottish Sun has revealed today that Lord Doherty, hearing the appeal, is a Sellic season ticket holder and shareholder.Now im not the biggest conspiracy theorist, in fact i think the vast majority is a load of bull, but this really is stoopid. And i would say the exact same if it was the other way around incidentally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 1,167 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Scottish Sun has revealed today that Lord Doherty, hearing the appeal, is a Sellic season ticket holder and shareholder.Now im not the biggest conspiracy theorist, in fact i think the vast majority is a load of bull, but this really is stoopid. And i would say the exact same if it was the other way around incidentally. Correct on all points.He was the judge when Artur Boruc was accused of sending threatening text messages iirc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchibaldLeitch 380 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Scottish Sun has revealed today that Lord Doherty, hearing the appeal, is a Sellic season ticket holder and shareholder.Now im not the biggest conspiracy theorist, in fact i think the vast majority is a load of bull, but this really is stoopid. And i would say the exact same if it was the other way around incidentally. Why is that not surprising? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen fish boy 8,583 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Correct on all points.He was the judge when Artur Boruc was accused of sending threatening text messages iirc. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BORUC+SUES+FOR+pounds+200k%3B+Keeper+launches+defamation+bid.-a0242417864 you remember correctly Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
five stars 1,623 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Does anybody know the selection process for appointing a judge to sit on a particular case?It seem an odd choice appointing a celic season ticket holder/ shareholder to such a high profile case involving Rangers.Is it possible for Lord Doherty to be impartial? He must of been heavly exposed to all the negative propaganda spun by the tims and their media friends, which had us as guilty before trial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinty 1,445 Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Think they're appointed on the cab rank principle, i.e next available judge. As previous posters have said the appeal is centred on points of law, and as the the two who decided in favour were the lawyers........This is HMRC exhausting every avenue in order to recover tax, it will not affect us at all, apart from the name calling, moral outrage from Spiers/Thomson et al, but could have huge implications for football teams throughout the UK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilko89 507 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Scottish Sun has revealed today that Lord Doherty, hearing the appeal, is a Sellic season ticket holder and shareholder.Now im not the biggest conspiracy theorist, in fact i think the vast majority is a load of bull, but this really is stoopid. And i would say the exact same if it was the other way around incidentally. That is actually unbelievable. Up there with Harper McLeod (low level paper gatherers). Surely a conflict of interest? Can whoever is representing the old company ask for a change? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poetry_In_Blue 1,043 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Scottish Sun has revealed today that Lord Doherty, hearing the appeal, is a Sellic season ticket holder and shareholder.Now im not the biggest conspiracy theorist, in fact i think the vast majority is a load of bull, but this really is stoopid. And i would say the exact same if it was the other way around incidentally. To play a bit of Devil's Advocate here if Doherty found in favour of the original ruling you will have the great unwashed almost saying the same thing that he had to rule in our favour to be seen as being impartial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Not going to call a judges integrity to question. Who he supports wont matter. Hes there to make a ruling on law with tonnes of paperwork from both sides. Hardly even comparable to the artur boruc case.Its hard to see how a judge will rule different from lawyers when they all stick and read from the same code. Its only hmrcs opinion that we used them as salaries. They need concrete evidence Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elephants stoned 2,994 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 To play a bit of Devil's Advocate here if Doherty found in favour of the original ruling you will have the great unwashed almost saying the same thing that he had to rule in our favour to be seen as being impartial.Sums up the taig mentality, whatever the result we are guilty in their sad little minds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Sums up the taig mentality, whatever the result we are guilty in their sad little minds.If he finds against HMRC - I hope he knows a good glazier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamgers 1,214 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 It's three weeks to the day since the last post on this subject, does anyone know how this is going? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 1,167 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 It's three weeks to the day since the last post on this subject, does anyone know how this is going?Finished on 07/03/14 after a week in which both sides made their case for why the appeal should be dismissed/upheld. Apparently the few members of the public who attended were impressed by the smooth performance of Mr Thornhill in comparison to Mr Thompson for HMRC.When you take into account this comes from those who have an obsession with "All things Rangers related" then i can say the case went very well for Rangers plc.The judge (Lord Doherty) would find it difficult to overturn the majority verdict from the FTTT given that he is not a "Tax expert" unlike both Kenneth Mure QC and Scott Rae (the majority). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,256 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 So it looks like next week for the result. Imagine how good a week it would be if they said the original judgement stands and the EC charge the scum lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.G 10,773 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 So it looks like next week for the result. Imagine how good a week it would be if they said the original judgement stands and the EC charge the scum lolCan we expect an EC scum decision? Whats the score with all that Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,256 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Can we expect an EC scum decision? Whats the score with all thatI think it's still weeks away but there's a lot of good info on the other thread:http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=263620&st=780#entry1061822106 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouStayClassySanGovano 57 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Would love to see how much these corrupt cunts have wasted pursuing this. Add it to the amount offered to them in settlement and it must be a hell of a lot.Stupid fuckers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1873bear 192 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 More public money being wasted on bullshit that achieves fukk all whatever the outcome, hmrc should be chasing the big companies who continually rape the country of income...... Totally agenda driven. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laudrupno1 3,932 Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,256 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Finished on 07/03/14 after a week in which both sides made their case for why the appeal should be dismissed/upheld. Apparently the few members of the public who attended were impressed by the smooth performance of Mr Thornhill in comparison to Mr Thompson for HMRC.When you take into account this comes from those who have an obsession with "All things Rangers related" then i can say the case went very well for Rangers plc.The judge (Lord Doherty) would find it difficult to overturn the majority verdict from the FTTT given that he is not a "Tax expert" unlike both Kenneth Mure QC and Scott Rae (the majority).so I'm thinking we should be hearing something this week or even as early as tomorrow ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight-Edge-Loyal 6,696 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 so I'm thinking we should be hearing something this week or even as early as tomorrow ?I doubt we will hear for months look at the first case and how long.that took Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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