bluchoo 846 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Heard the panel on BT say this last night. Got me thinking if we are a top 4 side with the transfer fees and wages we are paying is this enough the keep Warburton in a job? Not a stealth Warburton out thread...but say we finish 4th will everyone be happy with him for next season? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,464 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Anything below 2nd will be an absolute failure by the manager. Normally 2nd would be a failure but when the finances aren't there then it's not a failure on his part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allanger 625 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I have never thought we would win this league at the first time of asking. Second place would be acceptable but we have some tough games on the horizon which we must win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertz 78 918 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I honestly believe if we had the right manager we would be pushing for the title. I know we won last night but if truth be told if that mob had anything decent up front we would have dropped points. We have young hungry players like MOH ,Dodoo , Crooks , Windass and Rossiter who could be the core of our team for years to come but they never get much of a chance as Warbs has his older favourites. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markem 7,407 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Albertz 78 said: I honestly believe if we had the right manager we would be pushing for the title. I know we won last night but if truth be told if that mob had anything decent up front we would have dropped points. We have young hungry players like MOH ,Dodoo , Crooks , Windass and Rossiter who could be the core of our team for years to come but they never get much of a chance as Warbs has his older favourites. Everyone of those signed by the manager you reckon favours others and pretty much all of them apart from MOH recovering from injury. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hilts 12,819 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 2nd in the Scottish Premiership is fuck all, never mind 3rd or 4th. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowsBlue 329 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 We need to finish in a European spot. is it 1st, 2nd and 3rd who get them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,450 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Sorry too say the scum are well ahead of us at present, of course we knew this back in 2012, they've had 4 seasons to consolidate their squad, we hoped our years in the lower leagues would allow us to rebuild and challenge them but thanks to certain people it didn't happen. Forget the scum second place is a must anything else is failure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,513 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, GlasgowsBlue said: We need to finish in a European spot. is it 1st, 2nd and 3rd who get them? Normally it's the 4 in the league unless the SC winners are different from the league winner but I'm not sure if the overall coefficient has reduced the places down to three in total or the Scottish 4 just need to play more qualifiers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j1mgg 3,766 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 4th would be manageable this season, and woukd be good to press onto next season, third season we should be strong challengers for the title. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertz 78 918 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, markem said: Everyone of those signed by the manager you reckon favours others and pretty much all of them apart from MOH recovering from injury. Last night we had a 38 year old at the back, a 36 year old up front and a 32 year old in midfield. For a manager that's supposedly based his philosophy on youth and good football I find that ridiculous tbh.. It really does not matter if the guys I mentioned above were fit or not Warbs wont drop his favourites (Miller,Mckay,Kiernan) for anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 19 minutes ago, Albertz 78 said: I honestly believe if we had the right manager we would be pushing for the title. I know we won last night but if truth be told if that mob had anything decent up front we would have dropped points. We have young hungry players like MOH ,Dodoo , Crooks , Windass and Rossiter who could be the core of our team for years to come but they never get much of a chance as Warbs has his older favourites. The five players you mentioned are all Warburtons signings, the first MOH, has been shite practically every time he's played and the others have been out injured and it doesn't matter how "hungry" you are if you're on the treatment table. To suggest Warburton has a problem with young players is pish and despite Warburtons obvious short comings you are delusional is you think we could be pushing for title on our budget. The tims sadly are too strong and it'll be next season at the earliest before we can compete with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDFM 3,809 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I'd want him gone if we finished fourth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 33,408 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I still think we'll get second. We are improving. There's stll alot of unknown variables at play. Will Garner settle in? Will Crooks make a difference? Will Windass and Rossier be big players when they get injury free runs? Can Senderos make any difference? How will the Barton affair play out and could his moving on mean another face appearing in January? On balance, I still think this squad has more about it than Aberdeen, Hearts etc by a fair bit. I think we're a few small margins away from being quite an effective outfit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,794 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 34 minutes ago, Albertz 78 said: Warbs has his older favourites. You said McKay, Wallace and Kiernan in a different post. McKay I'll wholeheartedly agree with. Wallace is the captain and although he'd benefit from being dropped at times, he still has golden moments. And Kiernan has been out for 4 weeks, Senderos getting a game before him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 4th and the manager has to go and the board have to find a buyer for the club that can take us forward, before 4th becomes the norm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,979 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, Albertz 78 said: Last night we had a 38 year old at the back, a 36 year old up front and a 32 year old in midfield. For a manager that's supposedly based his philosophy on youth and good football I find that ridiculous tbh.. It really does not matter if the guys I mentioned above were fit or not Warbs wont drop his favourites (Miller,Mckay,Kiernan) for anything. Why would he drop Miller, despite his age still one of the fittest and hard working player we have and our best natural finisher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrup1984 25,100 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Just now, Albertz 78 said: Last night we had a 38 year old at the back, a 36 year old up front and a 32 year old in midfield. For a manager that's supposedly based his philosophy on youth and good football I find that ridiculous tbh.. It really does not matter if the guys I mentioned above were fit or not Warbs wont drop his favourites (Miller,Mckay,Kiernan) for anything. I understand where you're coming from but arguably our 3 best players last night were the 3 you have mentioned and without them we may not have won. Of course it's all ifs buts and maybes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Even 2nd isn't acceptable but would probably be considered understandable under these circumstances Any lower than 2nd the management, board and players can pack their bags Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertz 78 918 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, ianferguson said: The five players you mentioned are all Warburtons signings, the first MOH, has been shite practically every time he's played and the others have been out injured and it doesn't matter how "hungry" you are if you're on the treatment table. To suggest Warburton has a problem with young players is pish and despite Warburtons obvious short comings you are delusional is you think we could be pushing for title on our budget. The tims sadly are too strong and it'll be next season at the earliest before we can compete with them. Well Aberdeen were closer to them at this stage last season than we are now and with a lot less budget. The excuses for Warbs not being able to beat Killie, Ross co and Hamiliton are ridiculous. We are miles behind them not cause they have zillions to spend but because we can't beat god awful teams who have 20-30% of the budget we have have. When you build a defence that gets out run for pace by a fat over the hill Kris Boyd then it says it all really. A for MOH for me he's looked better than Mckay who frankly is a winger who looks terrified to take on a man and does a safe pass back inside every time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossDas 1,071 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Last season's fourth place side finished with 42% of league matches won; our current win rate is 44%, so top four looks fairly accurate as things stand. I think it is reasonable to expect more considering our wage bill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gascoigne8 3,473 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 54 minutes ago, bluchoo said: Heard the panel on BT say this last night. Got me thinking if we are a top 4 side with the transfer fees and wages we are paying is this enough the keep Warburton in a job? Not a stealth Warburton out thread...but say we finish 4th will everyone be happy with him for next season? Tin hat on ...... I dont think playing like last night we even look a top 4 team. I thought we looked pretty flat again last night and the fitness of our players is troubling me. Im no looking for warburton to get hunted but i think we need a raise in performance levels. Too many non producers in the team Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertz 78 918 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, Brubear said: Why would he drop Miller, despite his age still one of the fittest and hard working player we have and our best natural finisher. If a 36 year old is our fittest striker then why on earth did we pay £1.8m for Garner who is 8 years younger, MOH for £500,000 who is 9 years younger and Dodoo at £250,000 who is 15 years younger? Almost £2,5m on players who are not as fit as a 36 year old and people want Warns to be given more money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 12,214 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 2nd or out Finishing 4th would imply we maintained our current results for the whole season, which wouldn't be good enough. If we can improve to a point to claim 2nd place fairly comfortably then that would suffice. Nothing less for me though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brubear 2,979 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, rossDas said: Last season's fourth place side finished with 42% of league matches won; our current win rate is 44%, so top four looks fairly accurate as things stand. I think it is reasonable to expect more considering our wage bill. On that rating, 2 games ago we only had a 28% win rate so would you argue we were a bottom 3 team at that time. We have dropped too many points in first 7 games but would expect our win percentage to be much higher than 44% over the full season. I still expect us to finish 2nd, would have loved us to be champions but first 7 results has put an end to that I am afraid. The Tarries are unlikely to drop 10 more points than us from now to end of season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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