Police Scotland confirm received report into historic child abuse within football

[hawkeye 1,039]

5 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said:

He will do 4 years as he is a long term prisoner.

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[hawkeye 1,039]

6 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Evening Times going down the BJK route

"Torbett was allegedly booted out of the boys club in 1974 by then celtic boss Jock Stein.

But, he was said to have been allowed back after Stein left in 1980"

Must mean Torbett was allowed back in 1980 as Stein left in 1978 for Leeds.

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,735]

2 hours ago, hawkeye said:

Any idea about the Frank Cairney trial ?

Cairney and King no news, McCafferty likely next year as he has just appeared on petition.

[Smile 26,610]

5 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said:

He will do 4 years as he is a long term prisoner.

Not good at all deserves much more as do the ones at that club who covered for him.

[cushynumber 25,178]

10 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said:

He will do 4 years as he is a long term prisoner.

whats classed as a long term prisoner and how does it come to 4?

[The Specky Forum Organiser 64,941]

A 5 year old ffs 

Surprised at Daly's article. Really went for them.

[Sparkle 53,611]

12 minutes ago, hawkeye said:

Must mean Torbett was allowed back in 1980 as Stein left in 1978 for Leeds.

From the same article

"The crimes occurred between 1986 and 1994."

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,735]

4 minutes ago, cushynumber said:

whats classed as a long term prisoner and how does it come to 4?

If you get over 4 years you are a long term prisoner and must serve 2 thirds of your sentence before you get out.

[hawkeye 1,039]

23 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Evening Times going down the BJK route

"Torbett was allegedly booted out of the boys club in 1974 by then celtic boss Jock Stein.

But, he was said to have been allowed back after Stein left in 1980"

Just a small point but Daly's article says that Torbett returned to the tarriers" in about" 1978.

As stated above Stein left in August 1978 to become Leeds manager.

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,735]

I can see Daly sticking with this now. He is not letting go any time soon, not with other trials in the offing, and some directly linked to celtic fc themselves. His piece is just the end of this chapter and was well written. 

I hope he brings a book out when all is done.

[Brackley 1,401]

If they were a separate entity why was Stein allowed to "sack" Torbet first time around.

[BlueAvenger 10,270]

2 minutes ago, Brackley said:

If they were a separate entity why was Stein allowed to "sack" Torbet first time around.

And McCann when he took over  wanted the rumours investigated....

[Howsitgoing 4,281]

why Is this separate entity only coming up now, in the first trial it was acknowledged that they were the same. There was leading members of celtic fc as witnesses then. It’s an absurd and mute point, at least it should be.

[Bears r us 30,810]

36 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Maybe they have been warned by their bosses lawyers to keep it like this

It makes you wonder, but Daly seemed to get around anything that may be in place. 

[BlueAvenger 10,270]

Wonder if Yousaf, Dornan. etc are looking into these matters...

[BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293]

Part of an article by Daly ,from April last year , 

 

 

The BBC has spoken to a second former celtic Boys' Club player who alleges he was abused by Torbett for three years from 1990.

Torbett's lawyer told the BBC he "vehemently denies these completely false allegations".

He added: "Clearly allegations of this kind must remain in the hands of the police and due process of the law must be followed here."

In a statement, celtic FC said the club was "fully committed to safeguarding children".

Presented with award

The statement went on: "celtic Boys' Club was separate and distinct organisation from celtic Football Club. It was vital that justice was served at that time, due to the extremely serious nature of this issue."

The statement added that anyone with any concerns should contact the club.

The BBC has discovered what appears to be the "official" account of why Torbett left the Boys' Club in the archives of The celtic View, which was the sanctioned, in-house magazine for celtic FC.

Dated November 1974, the report is headlined: "Jim bows out…after another season of glory." It states that Torbett was leaving for his own personal and business reasons and is a glowing tribute to his time at the Boys' Club. There is no mention of abuse allegations.

The BBC understands the police were never called.

The celtic View archives also reveal that in 1977, three years after he allegedly threw Torbett out of the Boys' Club, Jock Stein was pictured presenting Torbett with an award recognising his services to celtic Boys' Club.

Image copyrightCELTIC VIEW

Image captionJock Stein (left) presented Torbett (centre) with an award three years after he allegedly threw him out of the club. Hugh Birt is pictured on the right

On the same evening, according to the archives, Stein made way for celtic board member Kevin Kelly as honorary president of the Boys' Club.

Birt would tell the court in 1998 that he attempted to prevent Torbett returning to the Boys' Club and raised the issue with celtic board members, including Kevin Kelly.

Two other sources have told the BBC that when Torbett was allowed to return to the Boys' Club in around 1980, Mr Kelly would have been aware of the previous claims of abuse against Torbett.

Mr Torbett's company The Trophy Centre had a lucrative contract with celtic to provide branded merchandising.

Mr Kelly and Jack McGinn, a celtic FC director from 1981, worked with Mr Torbett at his Trophy Centre business from 1986 and 1998 respectively. Their associations with the company continued long after Torbett was jailed for abuse.

Mr Kelly strongly denies being aware of allegations concerning Torbett when he returned to the Boys' Club, and told the BBC that he was not aware of any previous allegations against Torbett until his court case in the 1990s.

Jack McGinn, a celtic FC director from 1981, also denies any previous knowledge of Mr Torbett's offending prior to his second spell at the Boys' club.

Both Mr Kelly and Mr McGinn said that if they had been aware of Mr Torbett's prior offending, they would have done all they could to prevent him returning to celtic Boys' Club.

 

Aye nothing to do with celtic 

 

Then there's Cairney ffs , 

 

   Predatory Beast Bastards . Yet nothing to do with celtic 

[Brian Fantana 28,894]

47 minutes ago, eejay the dj said:

Maybe they have been warned by their bosses lawyers to keep it like this

Why, when it's well known they were officially affiliated? 

[ritchieshearercaldow 22,158]

It doesn’t matter whether the club was a separate entity or not.

The question and charge is, the club knew of an organisation that was abusing young boys and did nothing about it except wash their filthy hands.

[BlueKnight87 17,301]

14 minutes ago, Howsitgoing said:

why Is this separate entity only coming up now, in the first trial it was acknowledged that they were the same. There was leading members of celtic fc as witnesses then. It’s an absurd and mute point, at least it should be.

It absolutely should be a mute point.

The whole separate entity is just them trying to escape potential civil law suits.  

Reading the daly article they never even apolgised to the victims of the crimes or even spoke to them. 

The fact is they knew this was going on and did nothing to stop it. They have no shame what so ever.  An absolute disgusting club who should be brought to task. 

[kplfishtank 4,656]

A religion that accepts  paedos

a club that accepts  paedos

a support  that accepts paedos. 

Yeah a club like no other indeed 

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

It's a certainty he'll get done inside....and it will be reported as sectarianly motivated.

[HG5 11,134]

1 hour ago, eejay the dj said:

I don't care what anyone says now

Some people high up the food chain have clearly been given a call from Pedro

Or maybe the right people have been manoeuvred into the right positions

And it's not this that I base this on

Couldn’t agree more mate?

[Bad Robot 21,194]

Time for a big fuck off banner at the game at Ibrox with a big sign pointing at their support, right along the Broomloan and no hiding place for the tv cameras. 

[bluedylan 11,555]

5 minutes ago, Bad Robot said:

Time for a big fuck off banner at the game at Ibrox with a big sign pointing at their support, right along the Broomloan and no hiding place for the tv cameras. 

Tbh with you the world would see that as cheap point scoring by us 

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