GeeSS 512 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 On 07/06/2017 at 5:11 PM, SuperTav said: He should be training with the first team along with Aidan Wilson, Beerman and Rudden. If they don't look like breaking into the team by January then by all means send them out on a short loan for the rest of the season. The way Pedro talks, he wants young Scottish guys at the Club, so I think that the younger ones will still get a chance next season. Beerman is a terrible defender and should be nowhere near the first team Rudden is nowhere near the level required but has potential same with Wilson. Hardie is not going to make it at the level we aspire too however the one name you omit Barjonas does have a chance and is by far our best hope at the moment of making a breakthrough Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,924 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, GeeSS said: Beerman is a terrible defender and should be nowhere near the first team Rudden is nowhere near the level required but has potential same with Wilson. Hardie is not going to make it at the level we aspire too however the one name you omit Barjonas does have a chance and is by far our best hope at the moment of making a breakthrough Agree on Beerman, he is a tidy player but never a defender in a million years, I thought Aidan Wilson looked an excellent prospect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubie92 1,074 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, GeeSS said: Beerman is a terrible defender and should be nowhere near the first team Rudden is nowhere near the level required but has potential same with Wilson. Hardie is not going to make it at the level we aspire too however the one name you omit Barjonas does have a chance and is by far our best hope at the moment of making a breakthrough That's because he isn't one. Until recently he was a winger, but these days if you've got pace and can control the ball you'll be considered for a wing back role, even if you're lacking defensive qualities. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz52 11,837 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Yes, now is his time. I think like McKay he's benefited from being out on loan. At his age he needs to start doing it with the first team and he deserves his chance as he's put the graft in for years now, I think he could be great for us going forward Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenerife Bear 1,748 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Was he not dropped for the semi final after scoring 2 goals to take them there, they get pumped and then throw him back in for the next game and he scores again? I would make sure Hardie is contracted for another few seasons and loan him out to at least 1 SPL side next season and the following to see if he can score goals at that level. Will toughen him up too and we won't have to lose him permanently. Win win for the club and player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewhitevanman 1,619 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Tenerife Bear said: Was he not dropped for the semi final after scoring 2 goals to take them there, they get pumped and then throw him back in for the next game and he scores again? I would make sure Hardie is contracted for another few seasons and loan him out to at least 1 SPL side next season and the following to see if he can score goals at that level. Will toughen him up too and we won't have to lose him permanently. Win win for the club and player. Great post re a young bear I would love to have someone come through the ranks and end up putting them away the same way McCoist used to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenerife Bear 1,748 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Just now, bluewhitevanman said: Great post re a young bear I would love to have someone come through the ranks and end up putting them away the same way McCoist used to. It's going to take someone young/youngish, who breaks into the team and spends at least 15 years around the first team to ever again get near McCoists record. I thought at one point Boyd maybe could have done it but he decided to leave. Why not Hardie? He has been scoring goals at every level consistently up until Rangers first team. Farm him out to a proper level for 1 or 2 more years and then let him learn from the more experienced guys and play his part. I would like to see him at a Partick Thistle or Motherwell, somewhere like that. See if he can score goals in this league. May not even need 2 years, one season at Thistle and he bangs in 20 goals, he walks into our first team squad the following season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewhitevanman 1,619 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 51 minutes ago, Tenerife Bear said: It's going to take someone young/youngish, who breaks into the team and spends at least 15 years around the first team to ever again get near McCoists record. I thought at one point Boyd maybe could have done it but he decided to leave. Why not Hardie? He has been scoring goals at every level consistently up until Rangers first team. Farm him out to a proper level for 1 or 2 more years and then let him learn from the more experienced guys and play his part. I would like to see him at a Partick Thistle or Motherwell, somewhere like that. See if he can score goals in this league. May not even need 2 years, one season at Thistle and he bangs in 20 goals, he walks into our first team squad the following season. Totally agree I think a season at a lower league club defeats the purpose of a loan with someone at his age, we need to see if he can score goals at the spl level. I'd love a young player to be a Tim slayer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billythebear77 10,386 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 He scored again for Scotland, get him in the 1st team squad this year.....I honestly think he'll do well Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkNS 6,298 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Liam burt....? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumbGER 24,518 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 4 hours ago, falkirkNS said: Liam burt....? He is magic eh? Seems to have disappeared. Wonder whats going on with him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
there'sonlyoneamoruso 1,724 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 6 hours ago, plumbGER said: He is magic eh? Seems to have disappeared. Wonder whats going on with him. Last I heard about Liam Burt was he's injured. Not sure how long for. @Elfideldo or @The Dude might be able to help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsLaud 4,186 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 No brainer get him straight into first team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philiprfc 1,799 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Can't take his loan spells as a measure of how well he'd do or us. Look at McKay's loan spells, not entirely inspiring, yet a season later he was on our best players (say what you will about his form this season...) Get him training with the first team, get in involved in pre-season and let's see how he does. Same with the rest of the young lads pushing to make a breakthrough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaka 1,706 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Seen the goal he scored Scotland against the Czech and it was another cracking finish. He looks a good talent and deserves to be part of the squad. Not a starter yet but a better option of the bench than Garner or Waghorn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1872 20,993 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Would love us just to go fuck it and start Wilson at the back, Barjonas in midfield and Hardie upfront. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,622 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Certainly should be around the squad as he offers something different from the strikers that are currently at us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.G 10,773 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I know a Raith fan and he loves him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarcelonaBear1690 19 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I've been a long time reader of the forum and never bothered to make an account, I've seen a lot of pish posted in my time but this is something else. People claiming he should be in the first team need their heads checked. This myth that he scores goals wherever he goes is nonsense. He scored 3 goals for st mirren and was not deemed good enough to start... a side that were rock bottom of the championship. He then joined raith for the second half of the season who were 26 points safe scoring only 6 goals as they plummeted to relegation. Anyone that thinks he is the man who will win us the league is either at it or misinformed entirely. I'll await the usual "you're a Tim comments" but these are the facts. He may well be good enough in the future but certainly not this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reallyruff 622 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Voted yes purely from the perspective that he has been there, done that, with loan spells so it's now time to see if he can cut it at Rangers. 'Til January should do, then PC will know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
With Heart and Hand 8,949 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 We should keep him but there's no need to throw him into the first team till he's ready Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarcelonaBear1690 19 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Listen- maybe in the future he'll be a star, who knows. My point is, in a league where waghorn looked like Sergio Agüero I'm expecting more than 3 goals. He should be nowhere near the first team until he has proven himself, he hasn't. Not yet anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,124 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, BarcelonaBear1690 said: I've been a long time reader of the forum and never bothered to make an account, I've seen a lot of pish posted in my time but this is something else. People claiming he should be in the first team need their heads checked. This myth that he scores goals wherever he goes is nonsense. He scored 3 goals for st mirren and was not deemed good enough to start... a side that were rock bottom of the championship. He then joined raith for the second half of the season who were 26 points safe scoring only 6 goals as they plummeted to relegation. Anyone that thinks he is the man who will win us the league is either at it or misinformed entirely. I'll await the usual "you're a Tim comments" but these are the facts. He may well be good enough in the future but certainly not this season. Much of which is supposition or opinion, not fact. But after everything we've been through, and then all the positive additions over the past few weeks, glad you've managed to commit to a post at long last. Strange it's on a Ryan Hardie thread but hey ho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam1872 251 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 On 2017-6-7 at 5:16 PM, TopCat said: This. Same. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarcelonaBear1690 19 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I'll take that as a welcome. My views tend to be against the grain tbh so I refrain. I also have my reservations about signing a bunch of South Americans and portugués players but that's 'wait and see' more than anything else. What i do know however is Ryan Hardie is not ready to be playing in a side that should be challenging Celtic Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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