KeyserSoze 14,660 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I think he should stay and here are my reasons why. Stability - we have had 6 managers in 6 years, three of which have been temporary. This has caused great instability in our club with all the chopping and changing, not including the squad culls each manager goes through to bring in their own players and the financial pressures we are under to meet these obligations. Do we keep going like this - a revolving door of people coming in and out of our club? constantly disrupting the set up.... surely this can't be healthy. Our greatest success has come from stability at our club. Just look at Souness, Smith and to an extent Advocaat.. 3 managers in 15yrs against 6 managers in 6yrs - OK I concede those were different times ££££ but the premise is the same. Now for Pedro - a character I like - he does not suffer fools - we have seen this with his treatment of MOH, Halliday, Miller etc... he has replaced nearly all of the players even we as supporters were crying out to be punted. He has been given funding and spent some of it wisely and some of it not so... it's now time to build on what we have. Remember we are two positions higher, a point more (having played one less game) and a +9 goal difference better than this time last year, meaning we are 6 points off the pace instead of 9. It's clutching at straws I know - but it is better.... Pedro is a passionate man, he is hard working by all accounts and believes in what he is trying to do... he shows his passion for this club openly and is not scared to give his opinion - his character is what has been absent from Rangers from some time, a big pair of balls, a huge heart and a determination to get things right. Pitch that against the mealy mouthed characters our club has attracted over the past six years and it's night and day. He also, by all accounts can coach too! Allow him to identify the areas needing strengthened, continually improve at each window which reduces the pressures financially (transfer windows are not a good idea as they hamstrung managers for long periods before a fix can be found) and the board to support him in this and build a squad from the current crop of players - I think in two windows we will have something near to challenging that lot... It needs to be short term pain for long term gain, it really does. The alternative is we bring a new manager in .. cross our fingers and hope to hell - repeat to fade. That will be 7 managers in 6 years - Walter Smith was our 9th manager in 100yrs - just say that out loud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassaaaa 11,406 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 You didnt need another thread hero and you,re wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEPPS BOY 74,752 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 71,989 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Blow me Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 There is no long term gain. He’s failed every big test he’s been given. He’s failed to win 3 games in a row. He’s failed to beat Partick thistle in 90 minutes this season in 2 attempts. He’s failed to get us past a diddy team in Europe. He. Has. Failed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,133 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Was the other shite thread not good enough? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,622 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 The OP must have been hurting the BluePeter9 getting more attention than him here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I agree with 99% of that mate. Only bit we differ on is for his first season he needs to get the team into a comfortable second, failure to do that should mean he is replaced. Then the ball is the court of the board to fund a real challenge for the title. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,456 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 All that passion, character shite - he's playing to the gallery. How many times are the support going to be fooled by a chest thumping shysters? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 83,381 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Merge this with bp9's Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 ? he shouldn't have been here in the first place and a draw on Wednesday will see him out I reckon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,685 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrfc95 4,255 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Rangers can't have a manger that fails to win any big games and can't win 3 games in a row. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsden bear 2,376 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 i agree with the point that we are on danger of being stuck in a perpetual loop of continually replacing failing Managers. We need to look at the bigger picture now. Under current regime with current budget there isnt a manager alive that could wrestle the title from them. Pedro can be his own worse enemy though, he gives too much information to the press and they use it to batter him over the head with it when things go wrong. I think we should be turning the focus on the board as they need to identify the right man and back him heavily - i cant see that happening, so maybe they ought to step aside I like Pedro but he has cost us in big games and is making us a laughing stock with the daft things he says that aren't backed up on the pitch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyaleastend 3,260 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Ridiculous cut and paste job the OP wasn't much better than his appointment though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backup 4,724 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: I think he should stay and here are my reasons why. Stability - we have had 6 managers in 6 years, three of which have been temporary. This has caused great instability in our club with all the chopping and changing, not including the squad culls each manager goes through to bring in their own players and the financial pressures we are under to meet these obligations. Do we keep going like this - a revolving door of people coming in and out of our club? constantly disrupting the set up.... surely this can't be healthy. Our greatest success has come from stability at our club. Just look at Souness, Smith and to an extent Advocaat.. 3 managers in 15yrs against 6 managers in 6yrs - OK I concede those were different times ££££ but the premise is the same. Now for Pedro - a character I like - he does not suffer fools - we have seen this with his treatment of MOH, Halliday, Miller etc... he has replaced nearly all of the players even we as supporters were crying out to be punted. He has been given funding and spent some of it wisely and some of it not so... it's now time to build on what we have. Remember we are two positions higher, a point more (having played one less game) and a +9 goal difference better than this time last year, meaning we are 6 points off the pace instead of 9. It's clutching at straws I know - but it is better.... Pedro is a passionate man, he is hard working by all accounts and believes in what he is trying to do... he shows his passion for this club openly and is not scared to give his opinion - his character is what has been absent from Rangers from some time, a big pair of balls, a huge heart and a determination to get things right. Pitch that against the mealy mouthed characters our club has attracted over the past six years and it's night and day. He also, by all accounts can coach too! Allow him to identify the areas needing strengthened, continually improve at each window which reduces the pressures financially (transfer windows are not a good idea as they hamstrung managers for long periods before a fix can be found) and the board to support him in this and build a squad from the current crop of players - I think in two windows we will have something near to challenging that lot... It needs to be short term pain for long term gain, it really does. The alternative is we bring a new manager in .. cross our fingers and hope to hell - repeat to fade. That will be 7 managers in 6 years - Walter Smith was our 9th manager in 100yrs - just say that out loud. Just say this out loud, a board with funds and a business/football plan are what is needed, I would hazard the last 5 years is far from short term and certainly little if any gain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,660 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: I agree with 99% of that mate. Only bit we differ on is for his first season he needs to get the team into a comfortable second, failure to do that should mean he is replaced. Then the ball is the court of the board to fund a real challenge for the title. I think this is achievable and a mark of progress. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenose88 132 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Opinions vary. But you are so wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just now, KeyserSoze said: I think this is achievable and a mark of progress. I did at the start of the season, but my confidence is being seriously tested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,660 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Loyaleastend said: Ridiculous cut and paste job the OP wasn't much better than his appointment though. what do you mean? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 The next two games will make or break Pedro. Two must wins and also the team must show character while Pedro must fill the two empty shirts from Sunday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 He is a likeable and decent man and I agree we have made progress. But every big game we fail - yet in most, I believe we have the better team on paper. Where is it going wrong? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 14,660 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just now, Courtyard Bear said: I did at the start of the season, but my confidence is being seriously tested. yup, mine to but what the fuck have we to do? It can't go on the same way we have been going for the past six years.... we need to hold steady Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffbear 4,101 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: I think he should stay and here are my reasons why. Stability - we have had 6 managers in 6 years, three of which have been temporary. This has caused great instability in our club with all the chopping and changing, not including the squad culls each manager goes through to bring in their own players and the financial pressures we are under to meet these obligations. Do we keep going like this - a revolving door of people coming in and out of our club? constantly disrupting the set up.... surely this can't be healthy. Our greatest success has come from stability at our club. Just look at Souness, Smith and to an extent Advocaat.. 3 managers in 15yrs against 6 managers in 6yrs - OK I concede those were different times ££££ but the premise is the same. Now for Pedro - a character I like - he does not suffer fools - we have seen this with his treatment of MOH, Halliday, Miller etc... he has replaced nearly all of the players even we as supporters were crying out to be punted. He has been given funding and spent some of it wisely and some of it not so... it's now time to build on what we have. Remember we are two positions higher, a point more (having played one less game) and a +9 goal difference better than this time last year, meaning we are 6 points off the pace instead of 9. It's clutching at straws I know - but it is better.... Pedro is a passionate man, he is hard working by all accounts and believes in what he is trying to do... he shows his passion for this club openly and is not scared to give his opinion - his character is what has been absent from Rangers from some time, a big pair of balls, a huge heart and a determination to get things right. Pitch that against the mealy mouthed characters our club has attracted over the past six years and it's night and day. He also, by all accounts can coach too! Allow him to identify the areas needing strengthened, continually improve at each window which reduces the pressures financially (transfer windows are not a good idea as they hamstrung managers for long periods before a fix can be found) and the board to support him in this and build a squad from the current crop of players - I think in two windows we will have something near to challenging that lot... It needs to be short term pain for long term gain, it really does. The alternative is we bring a new manager in .. cross our fingers and hope to hell - repeat to fade. That will be 7 managers in 6 years - Walter Smith was our 9th manager in 100yrs - just say that out loud. ???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: yup, mine to but what the fuck have we to do? It can't go on the same way we have been going for the past six years.... we need to hold steady Agreed, we are in danger of turning into all those wee diddy clubs that role out a new manager every 6 months. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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