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Even Martin Bain and Murray had more balls than this curent board.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13218273

Uefa fines Rangers and bans fans for one away game

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Uefa has fined Rangers 40,000 euros (£35,652) and banned its fans from the next away European game for sectarian singing in a match at PSV Eindhoven.

At a hearing in Nyon, Switzerland, Uefa also gave Rangers a suspended ban on its fans for a second away game for a probationary period of three years.

Uefa also issued a suspended punishment for fans' behaviour at the Ibrox leg.

It will fine Rangers a further 40,000 euros and close Ibrox for one match if fans misbehave in the next three years.

Should the Scottish Premier League leaders choose to appeal against the decision, the club must do so within three days of receiving Uefa's written decision.

In a statement on the Rangers website, chief executive Martin Bain said: "We are bitterly disappointed that our club has been placed in a position where we are subjected to these kind of sanctions by Uefa.

"We will consider our position when we receive the written reasons for the decision which are expected in a week or so.

"The club put its own case very forcibly to Uefa and the more draconian sanctions that were recommended by the disciplinary inspector have been mitigated to a degree.

"To be clear, we condemn sectarianism and there is no doubt the mindless behaviour of an element of our support has exposed the club to a very serious situation. The people who engage in this type of behaviour are damaging the club they claim to support.

We are of the opinion that FARE has been influenced by people who make it their business to damage our club in any way they can

Rangers chief executive Martin Bain

"It is abundantly clear from this decision that if there is any sectarian singing at future matches the suspended bans will take effect. Those fans who engage in such activity need to take that message on board."

When news broke of Uefa's intention to hear allegations of sectarian singing by the club's fans at the Europa League match against the Dutch side on 17 March, Bain said the club was "absolutely astounded" and that it planned to defend the club's position "very, very vigorously".

While acknowledging that sectarian singing is a problem among a section of its support, Bain had argued that the club had taken significant steps to wipe out such behaviour.

He also said Rangers were unhappy that a report from FARE (Football Against Racism in Europe) should result in them facing charges, while the Uefa match delegates gave favourable reports on its fans' behaviour in the games against PSV.

However, Piara Powar, executive director of the FARE network, earlier this month defended his organisation and denied there was any undue focus on Rangers.

"The FARE network is focused only on our core mission of tackling discrimination in football and encouraging social inclusion through the game," he said.

"We have no axe to grind with any club."

Bain added in Thursday's response to Uefa's sanctions: "In terms of the Uefa case brought against us, we have had serious concerns about the integrity of the evidence compiled by the FARE organisation and that remains the case.

"We are also of the opinion that FARE has been influenced by people who make it their business to damage our club in any way they can.

"We are committed to the eradication of sectarianism and believe it would have been more constructive for FARE to work with our club rather than against it.

"Instead, they submitted evidence to Uefa with a clear objective in mind and have shown a complete lack of transparency or accountability when asked for clarification on various aspects of that evidence."

Earlier on Thursday, Rangers assistant manager Ally McCoist accepted that if a ban on fans attending matches at Ibrox helped to eradicate sectarianism, it would be worth the club taking the financial hit.

He said ahead of Uefa's decision: "No matter what it costs, if the problem can get eradicated, then anything is a good thing."

McCoist, though, believes the guilty fans should be punished instead of the club.

"It would be a real blow," added McCoist. "The atmosphere at our place in the Champions League in recent seasons has been out of this world.

"I'd feel really sorry for the good fans and the players as well."

The decision by Uefa's Control and Disciplinary Body to punish Rangers will have been based in part on the club's fans' behavioural record over the past five years.

The Glasgow club was fined £13,300 for supporters' discriminatory chanting and £9,000 for attacking their opponents' team bus during an away game against Villarreal in 2006.

And Uefa issued a fine of £8,280 for some Rangers fans' behaviour during a match against Osasuna in May 2007.

The following year, at the Uefa Cup final in Manchester, fans were involved in city centre riots, and a fine of £18,000 was imposed by Uefa for fan violence when the club played Unirea Urziceni in Romania in November 2009.

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Axe to grind or not, our board has to come out, or go to UEFA/FIFA or whoever, and state it thinks we are being unfairly dealt with severity wise. I just don't mean, "look at them across the city", I mean that all across Europe there are fans of clubs doing a lot worse than signing a song.

Fair enough they are not happy with us signing certain songs, if they want to punish us the punishment has to be commensurate with the alleged crime, yes we've been cited before, but so have a lot of other clubs for a lot worse and their punishment hasn't been nearly as severe.

It looks as though we'll be waiting forever and a day before our board have the guts to come out and challenge the punishment, for the good of the club and those who stood by it,  something needs to be said from them and the sooner the better as if we stay silent it will only get worse.

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14 minutes ago, rbt1548 said:

Axe to grind or not, our board has to come out, or go to UEFA/FIFA or whoever, and state it thinks we are being unfairly dealt with severity wise. I just don't mean, "look at them across the city", I mean that all across Europe there are fans of clubs doing a lot worse than signing a song.

Fair enough they are not happy with us signing certain songs, if they want to punish us the punishment has to be commensurate with the alleged crime, yes we've been cited before, but so have a lot of other clubs for a lot worse and their punishment hasn't been nearly as severe.

It looks as though we'll be waiting forever and a day before our board have the guts to come out and challenge the punishment, for the good of the club and those who stood by it,  something needs to be said from them and the sooner the better as if we stay silent it will only get worse.

Totally irrelevant. If you're punished for singing sectarian singing now the first punishment is a section closure. There's no range of options available to them to choose from. 

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11 hours ago, Smile said:

Even Martin Bain and Murray had more balls than this curent board.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13218273

Uefa fines Rangers and bans fans for one away game

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Uefa has fined Rangers 40,000 euros (£35,652) and banned its fans from the next away European game for sectarian singing in a match at PSV Eindhoven.

At a hearing in Nyon, Switzerland, Uefa also gave Rangers a suspended ban on its fans for a second away game for a probationary period of three years.

Uefa also issued a suspended punishment for fans' behaviour at the Ibrox leg.

It will fine Rangers a further 40,000 euros and close Ibrox for one match if fans misbehave in the next three years.

Should the Scottish Premier League leaders choose to appeal against the decision, the club must do so within three days of receiving Uefa's written decision.

In a statement on the Rangers website, chief executive Martin Bain said: "We are bitterly disappointed that our club has been placed in a position where we are subjected to these kind of sanctions by Uefa.

"We will consider our position when we receive the written reasons for the decision which are expected in a week or so.

"The club put its own case very forcibly to Uefa and the more draconian sanctions that were recommended by the disciplinary inspector have been mitigated to a degree.

"To be clear, we condemn sectarianism and there is no doubt the mindless behaviour of an element of our support has exposed the club to a very serious situation. The people who engage in this type of behaviour are damaging the club they claim to support.

We are of the opinion that FARE has been influenced by people who make it their business to damage our club in any way they can

Rangers chief executive Martin Bain

"It is abundantly clear from this decision that if there is any sectarian singing at future matches the suspended bans will take effect. Those fans who engage in such activity need to take that message on board."

When news broke of Uefa's intention to hear allegations of sectarian singing by the club's fans at the Europa League match against the Dutch side on 17 March, Bain said the club was "absolutely astounded" and that it planned to defend the club's position "very, very vigorously".

While acknowledging that sectarian singing is a problem among a section of its support, Bain had argued that the club had taken significant steps to wipe out such behaviour.

He also said Rangers were unhappy that a report from FARE (Football Against Racism in Europe) should result in them facing charges, while the Uefa match delegates gave favourable reports on its fans' behaviour in the games against PSV.

However, Piara Powar, executive director of the FARE network, earlier this month defended his organisation and denied there was any undue focus on Rangers.

"The FARE network is focused only on our core mission of tackling discrimination in football and encouraging social inclusion through the game," he said.

"We have no axe to grind with any club."

Bain added in Thursday's response to Uefa's sanctions: "In terms of the Uefa case brought against us, we have had serious concerns about the integrity of the evidence compiled by the FARE organisation and that remains the case.

"We are also of the opinion that FARE has been influenced by people who make it their business to damage our club in any way they can.

"We are committed to the eradication of sectarianism and believe it would have been more constructive for FARE to work with our club rather than against it.

"Instead, they submitted evidence to Uefa with a clear objective in mind and have shown a complete lack of transparency or accountability when asked for clarification on various aspects of that evidence."

Earlier on Thursday, Rangers assistant manager Ally McCoist accepted that if a ban on fans attending matches at Ibrox helped to eradicate sectarianism, it would be worth the club taking the financial hit.

He said ahead of Uefa's decision: "No matter what it costs, if the problem can get eradicated, then anything is a good thing."

McCoist, though, believes the guilty fans should be punished instead of the club.

"It would be a real blow," added McCoist. "The atmosphere at our place in the Champions League in recent seasons has been out of this world.

"I'd feel really sorry for the good fans and the players as well."

The decision by Uefa's Control and Disciplinary Body to punish Rangers will have been based in part on the club's fans' behavioural record over the past five years.

The Glasgow club was fined £13,300 for supporters' discriminatory chanting and £9,000 for attacking their opponents' team bus during an away game against Villarreal in 2006.

And Uefa issued a fine of £8,280 for some Rangers fans' behaviour during a match against Osasuna in May 2007.

The following year, at the Uefa Cup final in Manchester, fans were involved in city centre riots, and a fine of £18,000 was imposed by Uefa for fan violence when the club played Unirea Urziceni in Romania in November 2009.

Got to be honest . I phoned David Edgar on the very night we caved in to being heavily punished by UEFA . And there was never going to be any let up after our cowardly act

That was the night , that  board shamed our club . King was probably part of that too

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4 hours ago, The Dude said:

Totally irrelevant. If you're punished for singing sectarian singing now the first punishment is a section closure. There's no range of options available to them to choose from. 

Thanks for that, I wasn't aware that was now the case.  It still does seem harsh when there are much worse offences, in my own opinion, being perpetrated by other groups of fans.

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1 hour ago, GersInCanada said:

FARE are not fair.  Never have been.

Bears just have to be smart about it. Give them no ammo and start to highlight their lack of action regarding others.

That's the way to go mate,we need to use all forms of social media to hi-lite their bias and I include UEFA in that. It's pointless expecting any fairness from MSM,we know whos' pocket they're in.

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3 minutes ago, SheriffHood said:

How do these cunts even get into the stadium and why haven't Rangers told them they're not welcome? Are we obligated to let them in? 

Yes - if you refuse to let them in you are subsequently charged by uefa. It’s viewed as an admission of guilt 

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2 minutes ago, SheriffHood said:

How do these cunts even get into the stadium and why haven't Rangers told them they're not welcome? Are we obligated to let them in? 

These 'cunts' is that the FARE delegates? Hoping you're not referring to the fans/songsters as they're long term ST holders.

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Assuming that the club have had conversations with Uefa regarding the obvious bias that FAIR target our club with it would be interesting to hear if the club has had any response from Uefa in regards to our obvious concerns with this particular organization, and if not then why not, and the board should also let the fans know by publishing their answers, at least then we would not all be left in the dark wondering WTF are our board doing to defend the club against continual scrutiny from this parcel of rouges.

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