Goldson

[The Dude 20,027]

2 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Wait till you see his "katic bombscare away to Hamilton after the st johnstone game" a game that doesn't exist 😂

Doesn't exist yet here's an article full of Rangers fans ripping into him

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/10/21/rangers-defender-nikola-katic-takes-battering-from-fans-after-ha/

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

I've maybe got my dates mixed up but this is the one https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45934566

Dates mixed up? Your a year and a half out ffs 😂😂

[Malkytfp1 19,540]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Doesn't exist yet here's an article full of Rangers fans ripping into him

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/10/21/Rangers-defender-nikola-katic-takes-battering-from-fans-after-ha/

Amazing how many fans you got into the Delorian there 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Doesn't exist yet here's an article full of Rangers fans ripping into him

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/10/21/rangers-defender-nikola-katic-takes-battering-from-fans-after-ha/

And this part is very telling

So basically katic was key, then binned for worrall, fucked his confidence and gerrard then brings him back first game on a plastic pitch, and you use that game from when he literally had only been at the club for 3 months as evidence of him being not good enough, fuck me

[The Dude 20,027]

6 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said:

So you were wrong when you stated 'There was an entire season after Worrall left where Katic was consistently in the side.'

No. Here's his starts in the league in 19/20. 17 starts in 30 games - a couple off the bench and only out the squad compeltely twice.

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

No. Here's his starts in the league in 19/20. 17 starts in 30 games - a couple off the bench and only out the squad compeltely twice.

 

We played 53 competitive games that season, katic featured in 29 of them, thats not consistently in the side at all

[The Dude 20,027]

1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

And this part is very telling

So basically katic was key, then binned for worrall, fucked his confidence and gerrard then brings him back first game on a plastic pitch, and you use that game from when he literally had only been at the club for 3 months as evidence of him being not good enough, fuck me

If coming out the team for two games turns him into a nervous wreck, it just backs up that he was never anywhere near good enough. One of the two games he was dropped for was also on a plastic pitch.

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

Just now, The Dude said:

If coming out the team for two games turns him into a nervous wreck, it just backs up that he was never anywhere near good enough. One of the two games he was dropped for was also on a plastic pitch.

being dropped for joe fucking worrall, after being key man in getting through 4 qualifiers for the EL and playing in the spfl, would have anyone doubting themselves, especially when they see worrall cost a goal minutes into his euro debut

[The Dude 20,027]

1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

We played 53 competitive games that season, katic featured in 29 of them, thats not consistently in the side at all

Of 53 games, Katic never made the squad for 5 of them.

[6superbarry6 14,596]

10 minutes ago, Malkytfp1 said:

This is the biggest thing on here that gets me. It's easy saying we need to get rid of players but those players need to have something about them for other clubs to want to buy them. Who will pay money for Simpson or Katic the now? This model of buying players who get a small run of games and disappear until their contract runs down is why were in the shit were in.

Hopefully Katic can find a bit of form and Split but him I’m sure there’s an option to buy in his loan, Simpson was a ridiculous signing we might be stuck with him another Brandon Barker hopefully we can find somebody daft enough to take him, we need at least 2 cb in wether we can shift the deadwood or not only Helander is good enough and he’s injury prone. 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

Just now, The Dude said:

Of 53 games, Katic never made the squad for 5 of them.

So, he only made it onto the pitch in 29 of them

By your reckoning, wes foderingham was consistently in the side that season as well then 😂

[ayro 3,465]

Did we ever play Katic and Helander together?

Souttar injury record isn’t great but he does look a good CB and being Scottish helps our squad for Europe.

It looks like we need about 5 CBs as they all seem a bit injury prone and Simpson isn’t good enough.

Wouldnt be surprised to see Balogun being moved on at the end of the season for GvB to bring in his own players.

[The Dude 20,027]

So he played in over half our games that season?

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

Just now, ayro said:

Did we ever play Katic and Helander together?

Souttar injury record isn’t great but he does look a good CB and being Scottish helps our squad for Europe.

It looks like we need about 5 CBs as they all seem a bit injury prone and Simpson isn’t good enough.

Wouldnt be surprised to see Balogun being moved on at the end of the season for GvB to bring in his own players.

If balogun is cheap wage wise id keep him as backup, he's kinda versatile for domestic football and has the experience even if he is prone to bombscares, 

[The Specky Forum Organiser 69,295]

We've went from 'There was an entire season after Worrall left where Katic was consistently in the side'

To 'Of 53 games, Katic never made the squad for 5 of them'

 

[GersInCanada 7,775]

Goldson cannot be allowed to hold the club to ransom. Recall Katic in January and if Filip is back then bump him down to number 4 behind Simpson in the CB pecking order.

 

[ayro 3,465]

Just now, Jimbeamjunior said:

If balogun is cheap wage wise id keep him as backup, he's kinda versatile for domestic football and has the experience even if he is prone to bombscares, 

Yeah I don’t mind him tbh just think it will be something we will consider along with the rest of the players with contracts expiring, especially the guys 30+.

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

Just now, The Dude said:

So he played in over half our games that season?

 

So that's not consistently in the side is it and if we really want to go into detail, out of the 4770 mins the club played, katic played only 2300 of that, so less than half

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

Just now, ayro said:

Yeah I don’t mind him tbh just think it will be something we will consider along with the rest of the players with contracts expiring, especially the guys 30+.

 

True, 

[Johnsey 1,540]

One thing I certainly won't miss is Goldson getting the ball stuck between his feet before inevitably being dispossessed. Felt like I saw that so often over the years but always gave him a pass because I thought he was a good defender. He's good at switching the play if he has time but he's nowhere near as good on the ball as he thinks he is. 

I hope Gio instills a confidence in the players when under pressure. Amount of times we miss a counter chance because we panic lump the ball under a press is a joke. 

[STEPPS BOY 77,390]

1 hour ago, Malkytfp1 said:

The prospect of signing Souttar terrifies me. One of the most injury prone players I've seen. He's no a prospect anymore. He's 25.

Doekhi has a contract until June 2022 so would probably need to pay about £3m for him imo. Money we don't have and money we wouldn't make off getting rid of Goldson.

Still think it's a knee jerk reaction wanting Goldson gone. If we get offered a decent fee I'd take but he has to play until then.

The injury concerns are valid of course but in the market we’ll be shopping in i think Souttar on a free or a nominal fee makes sense.

We’ll be looking at replacing Goldson, Balogun, Katic and Simpson at end of season.

 

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

1 minute ago, Johnsey said:

One thing I certainly won't miss is Goldson getting the ball stuck between his feet before inevitably being dispossessed. Felt like I saw that so often over the years but always gave him a pass because I thought he was a good defender. He's good at switching the play if he has time but he's nowhere near as good on the ball as he thinks he is. 

I hope Gio instills a confidence in the players when under pressure. Amount of times we miss a counter chance because we panic lump the ball under a press is a joke. 

What we have a nasty habit of doing also is taking 3 or 4 passes to do something that one pass would do, so it allows teams time to get goalside and regain their shape

[Jimfanciesthedude 25,513]

Just now, STEPPS BOY said:

The injury concerns are valid of course but in the market we’ll be shopping in i think Souttar on a free or a nominal fee makes sense.

We’ll be looking at replacing Goldson, Balogun, Katic and Simpson at end of season.

 

Simpson ia going to be harder to get rid of than the clap, 

[McEwan's Lager 31,966]

I like Souttar but I don't know if we can have Souttar and Helander in the same squad.

Huge risk that you would only have two fit centre backs for large parts of the season.

[Johnsey 1,540]

1 minute ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

What we have a nasty habit of doing also is taking 3 or 4 passes to do something that one pass would do, so it allows teams time to get goalside and regain their shape

Incredibly frustrating, pal. I know exactly what you mean. You'd think players would realise after playing against low blocks for so long, how important it is to play with pace and directness when the opportunity is there.