BlueSuedeSambas 56,408 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Has Jack not been injured for something mental like 100 games during his time with us? Sure I seen that doing the rounds on social media the other week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 11,282 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: Has Jack not been injured for something mental like 100 games during his time with us? Sure I seen that doing the rounds on social media the other week. 125 games missed according to transfermarkt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPWF 8,932 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, The Specky Liar said: Stewart is nowhere near 'dung' He’s no where near good enough to play for us. Going to be dealing with this link until he retires because he’s a Rangers fan. Brutal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 69,608 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, SPWF said: He’s no where near good enough to play for us. Going to be dealing with this link until he retires because he’s a Rangers fan. Brutal If he is a Rangers supporter that's news to me, haven't seen it mentioned once when he's been linked to us so not sure that has anything to do with it. Probably more to do with him getting 30 goals since he start of last season. OrangeRab 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlueSuedeSambas 56,408 Posted December 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2022 Ross Stewart’s record at Sunderland is very impressive. That’s why he’s being continuously linked with us. His record at Ross County wasn’t the worst either. Maybe not quite prolific, but decent enough to look at and say, I wonder what he could do if he was put into a stronger, more attack minded side. If we want more Scottish, homegrown players, then there has to be a move away from the snobbery that you see towards them among a lot of our support, because once they go south most of them become unaffordable, or very expensive, to us. Moody Blue, Loyal72, Geo17 and 6 others 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverAndEver 73,901 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 We should have signed Ferguson and Doig if we wanted Scottish players, don’t @ me BigBearButt, Laudrupsleftfoot, kelvd1873 and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemac 5,426 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ForeverAndEver said: We should have signed Ferguson and Doig if we wanted Scottish players, don’t @ me Cheers geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie1963 2,390 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 9 hours ago, SPWF said: He’s no where near good enough to play for us. Going to be dealing with this link until he retires because he’s a Rangers fan. Brutal I played golf with him and I'm pretty sure he said he was a celtic fan. Defo not Teds I think I would have remembered that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,860 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 56 minutes ago, Dickie1963 said: I played golf with him and I'm pretty sure he said he was a celtic fan. Defo not Teds I think I would have remembered that. he’s a Rangers supporter it’s pretty well known Dickie1963 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al 55 9,519 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 11 hours ago, bluenoz said: I have no problem with RJ signing a new deal. We are a more rounded team when he plays. This is NOT similar to re signing Davis and Arfield. True…Davis and Arfield are usually available. ForeverAndEver, The Dude, WilliamMunny and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,612 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 10 hours ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: Ross Stewart’s record at Sunderland is very impressive. That’s why he’s being continuously linked with us. His record at Ross County wasn’t the worst either. Maybe not quite prolific, but decent enough to look at and say, I wonder what he could do if he was put into a stronger, more attack minded side. If we want more Scottish, homegrown players, then there has to be a move away from the snobbery that you see towards them among a lot of our support, because once they go south most of them become unaffordable, or very expensive, to us. Regarding the second paragraph, could also look at it and say "would he score as many in a team playing against 11 men behind the ball every week, with less time and space in the box" Not dismissing the idea, for the right price its obviously worth a punt, but when you look at players in scotland who have came to us from domestic opposition, have we had more successes than failures? Last probable success (apart from injuries) maybe ryan jack, unless im forgetting about someone, before then (not including years out the top league) they were a few good ones but they cost a decent whack back then, so probably out our reach now maybe Think our idea of taking the best youths while they are dirt cheap is a better way to go, will take some time to work mind you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 69,608 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Regarding the second paragraph, could also look at it and say "would he score as many in a team playing against 11 men behind the ball every week, with less time and space in the box" Not dismissing the idea, for the right price its obviously worth a punt, but when you look at players in scotland who have came to us from domestic opposition, have we had more successes than failures? Last probable success (apart from injuries) maybe ryan jack, unless im forgetting about someone, before then (not including years out the top league) they were a few good ones but they cost a decent whack back then, so probably out our reach now maybe Think our idea of taking the best youths while they are dirt cheap is a better way to go, will take some time to work mind you He's not coming from domestic opposition tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 56,408 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Jimbeamjunior said: Regarding the second paragraph, could also look at it and say "would he score as many in a team playing against 11 men behind the ball every week, with less time and space in the box" Not dismissing the idea, for the right price its obviously worth a punt, but when you look at players in scotland who have came to us from domestic opposition, have we had more successes than failures? Last probable success (apart from injuries) maybe ryan jack, unless im forgetting about someone, before then (not including years out the top league) they were a few good ones but they cost a decent whack back then, so probably out our reach now maybe Think our idea of taking the best youths while they are dirt cheap is a better way to go, will take some time to work mind you You could also look at it and say “would he score more playing in a more attack minded team, who dominate possession and who create more chances”. It just depends entirely on what your perspective is. If we only consider if players are used to playing against defensive teams in a low blocks as a major factor in terms of whether they would be good for us or not, then we would be left shopping in a very limited and small market. It’s up to the scouts to identify if players can make the step up to another level. That’s not something that has, or ever will change at any football club regardless of teams set up or tactics J-Maestro 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlythestrongsurvive 1,007 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 10 hours ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: Ross Stewart’s record at Sunderland is very impressive. That’s why he’s being continuously linked with us. His record at Ross County wasn’t the worst either. Maybe not quite prolific, but decent enough to look at and say, I wonder what he could do if he was put into a stronger, more attack minded side. If we want more Scottish, homegrown players, then there has to be a move away from the snobbery that you see towards them among a lot of our support, because once they go south most of them become unaffordable, or very expensive, to us. Doesn't make them any better - just look at players like McBurnie, Burke, McCormack, Adam, Rhodes. Everyone went for millions down there (more than £10m each on at least one occasion I'm sure), and everyone of them average at best. graeme_4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 37,565 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, onlythestrongsurvive said: Doesn't make them any better - just look at players like McBurnie, Burke, McCormack, Adam, Rhodes. Everyone went for millions down there (more than £10m each on at least one occasion I'm sure), and everyone of them average at best. McCormack was actually very good, just an absolute fanny. The Dude 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights 2,529 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 We need to be the team trying these young Scottish players rather than waiting for them to impress elsewhere and having to pay 5 times as much if we want them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Specky Forum Organiser 69,608 Posted December 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, onlythestrongsurvive said: Doesn't make them any better - just look at players like McBurnie, Burke, McCormack, Adam, Rhodes. Everyone went for millions down there (more than £10m each on at least one occasion I'm sure), and everyone of them average at best. Rhodes is the 2nd top scorer in Champiosnhip history, McCormack 4th and Adam played over 200 games in the Premier League. Average at best is being very harsh on those three. falkirkNS, J-Maestro, Finny and 4 others 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,612 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, BlueSuedeSambas said: You could also look at it and say “would he score more playing in a more attack minded team, who dominate possession and who create more chances”. It just depends entirely on what your perspective is. If we were consider if players are used to playing against defensive teams in a low blocks as a major factor on whether they would be good for us or not, then we would be left shopping in a very limited and small market. It’s up to the scouts to identify if players can make the step up to another level. That’s not something that has, or ever will change at any football club regardless of teams set up or tactics I know and agree we need to look more at home for players, but given our track record of signing domestic players, our scouts either need binned or a rocket up their arse as we haven't had many successes with it, we either find an absolute gem or a fucking duffer, no one in between The likes of ramsey, doig, ferguson, might well have done a job for us, i have a feeling they would have been priced too high for us (scott allan situation all over again) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeRab 3,395 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, onlythestrongsurvive said: Doesn't make them any better - just look at players like McBurnie, Burke, McCormack, Adam, Rhodes. Everyone went for millions down there (more than £10m each on at least one occasion I'm sure), and everyone of them average at best. Think that’s fair. It’s usually a poor market that 5-10mio championship range. And Stewart would probably cost too much now after last season. But I think he would thrive here with the amount of balls we stick in the box. We’re not a team that plays 3 creative centre mids that slices defences open. Which suits a Kyogo who is quick off the mark. And we play against low blocks so outright pace like an Boyle or Nisbet isn’t as helpful. But we stick some amount of balls in with our full backs and wingers and you can play off Stewart as well. Good in the air and like Morelos is a beast. And he’s probably a better finisher onlythestrongsurvive 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, OrangeRab said: Think that’s fair. It’s usually a poor market that 5-10mio championship range. And Stewart would probably cost too much now after last season. But I think he would thrive here with the amount of balls we stick in the box. We’re not a team that plays 3 creative centre mids that slices defences open. Which suits a Kyogo who is quick off the mark. And we play against low blocks so outright pace like an Boyle or Nisbet isn’t as helpful. But we stick some amount of balls in with our full backs and wingers and you can play off Stewart as well. Good in the air and like Morelos is a beast. And he’s probably a better finisher He can sign a pre-contract in 12 days. Finny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Specky Forum Organiser 69,608 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Dude said: He can sign a pre-contract in 12 days. Sunderland have a years option. OrangeRab 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, The Specky Liar said: Sunderland have a years option. They do but there's a bit of a legal grey area over whether clubs can unilaterally activate an option without the player's agreement. CAS have previously declared them unenforcable unless certain conditions are met https://dnllegalandstyle.com/2022/validity-of-unilateral-extension-clausesuec-in-football-contracts/#_ftn11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Specky Forum Organiser 69,608 Posted December 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 minute ago, The Dude said: They do but there's a bit of a legal grey area over whether clubs can unilaterally activate an option without the player's agreement. CAS have previously declared them unenforcable unless certain conditions are met https://dnllegalandstyle.com/2022/validity-of-unilateral-extension-clausesuec-in-football-contracts/#_ftn11 That's quite a stretch you've gone to there to avoid being wrong about something OrangeRab, falkirkNS, rangersross and 7 others 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,027 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Just now, The Specky Liar said: That's quite a stretch you've gone to there to avoid being wrong about something Literally the first two words of my post agreed with you that Sunderland have an option to extend. stevemac 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPWF 8,932 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 hours ago, graeme_4 said: McCormack was actually very good, just an absolute fanny. Other than McBurnie all those players were very good at Championship level. Means fuck all though. That league is mince. Competitive, probably the most competitive in the world, but the standard bar the top couple of teams is honking. EDIT: McBurnie did have one good season in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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