Thermopylae 15,286 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It's not like deciding whether to buy a bottle of wine or stick to beers because you might get a bad hangover on the wine. It's a big decision and big risk that can't be reversed if it turns out to be the wrong decision.If things were really difficult between Scotland and England I could see the point of looking at seperation but the country is just fine so why take the risk ... i think your point is spot on so many just don't seem to realise what a HUGE change it is and once done can't be undone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,527 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 If things were really difficult between Scotland and England I could see the point of looking at seperation but the country is just fine so why take the risk ... i think your point is spot on so many just don't seem to realise what a HUGE change it is and once done can't be undoneIn no way is this country 'just fine'. It's dire man.But I'll still be voting no, because I think it will only get worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullyRFC 5,230 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 In no way is this country 'just fine'. It's dire man.But I'll still be voting no, because I think it will only get worse.What is it that you find dire about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robespierre 589 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Voted Yes. Not arsed about the supposed "traditions" of my football team, want what's best for Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fools Gold 488 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I don't like giving the papers 'hits', but what stance has the tabloids taken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Voted Yes. Not arsed about the supposed "traditions" of my football team, want what's best for Scotland.Aye but you're not a Rangers fan sandyinroyalblue and Rangers#1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueAvenger 10,242 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Voted Yes. Not arsed about the supposed "traditions" of my football team, want what's best for Scotland.By voting yes, you clearly don't want what's best for Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robespierre 589 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 So you don't believe that we are more than a football club?Rangers are an integral part of my life, but not to the extent that the club's political connotations, or indeed it's religious ones, dictate my own. I'll apply your logic and ask you, do you attend church every Sunday? Keeping in line with the club's protestant leanings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robespierre 589 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Aye but you're not a Rangers fanYes I am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyinroyalblue 16,478 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Aye but you're not a Rangers fanHe's a Jambo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fools Gold 488 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Rangers are an integral part of my life, but not to the extent that the club's political connotations, or indeed it's religious ones, dictate my own.I'll apply your logic and ask you, do you attend church every Sunday? Keeping in line with the club's protestant leanings?Then purely in a football context, are you happy with Salmonds' Orwellian-like grip on what we can say and cannot say at football matches? Do you not fear just how far it could go if he has full reign? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,527 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 What is it that you find dire about it?Poverty, inequality, crime, poor standard of life for some, biased "anti-sectarian" legislation, under resourced health care, immigration policy, benefits culture, the weather, being under the rule of SNP.I could go on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullyRFC 5,230 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Poverty, inequality, crime, poor standard of life for some, biased "anti-sectarian" legislation, under resourced health care, immigration policy, benefits culture, the weather, being under the rule of SNP.I could go on...How many of those things really affect you on a personal level though?Non have a huge negative impact on my life but, like you, I fear they will start to affect alot more people if a yes vote were to go through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviec1953 147 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Being a British and Protestant have always gone hand in hand with me being a Rangers supporter .Its just the way it is. Maye a bit old fashioned , but thats my take on it.The portait of the queen above home dressing room , the Loving Cup Ceremony , the Clubs Unionist History all tie in with what I consider to be my Culture and history and a Yes vot would be a betrayal of everything I hold precious.Its a definite NO on the 18th. I hope many others will feel the same way. ayesteady, sandyinroyalblue and cr3_bear 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_4 34,527 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 How many of those things really affect you on a personal level though?Non have a huge negative impact on my life but, like you, I fear they will start to affect alot more people if a yes vote were to go through.None particularly, but I was just using them to make my point that life isn't exactly rosey in Scotland at times.I also believe that it will get worse with independence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
william tor10 23 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 iv said it before any ranger fan that votes yes is NO RANGER FAN AND SHOULD BE SHUNNED AND NEVER EVER GO NEAR THIS GREAT BRITISH INTS THEY ARE SIMPLY REPUBLICAN SCUM AND WORSE THAN THE PEDO ACROSS THE CITY SO FUCKIN STAY AWAY FROM MY BRITISH FOOTBALL CLUB THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wullyRFC 5,230 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 iv said it before any ranger fan that votes yes is NO RANGER FAN AND SHOULD BE SHUNNED AND NEVER EVER GO NEAR THIS GREAT BRITISH INTS THEY ARE SIMPLY REPUBLICAN SCUM AND WORSE THAN THE PEDO ACROSS THE CITY SO FUCKIN STAY AWAY FROM MY BRITISH FOOTBALL CLUB THE GREATEST IN THE WORLDHiya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robespierre 589 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Then purely in a football context, are you happy with Salmonds' Orwellian-like grip on what we can say and cannot say at football matches? Do you not fear just how far it could go if he has full reign?I wouldn't vote for Salmond if he stands for re-election in 2016. I'm voting for Independence, not Alex Salmond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robespierre 589 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 He's a JamboNo he's fucking not. You base that claim off me using a gif from a Hearts forum. Utter nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I wouldn't vote for Salmond if he stands for re-election in 2016. I'm voting for Independence, not Alex Salmond.You wouldn't have the chance to vote for independence without Alex Salmond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,894 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Performance mode? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 None particularly, but I was just using them to make my point that life isn't exactly rosey in Scotland at times.I also believe that it will get worse with independence.About half of what you listed are devolved responsibilities so you can blame the Scottish government at least as much as the UK one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robespierre 589 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 You wouldn't have the chance to vote for independence without Alex SalmondBy the same token then I assume you'll be voting Labour in the next general election? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bothwellbear 1,392 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 iv said it before any ranger fan that votes yes is NO RANGER FAN AND SHOULD BE SHUNNED AND NEVER EVER GO NEAR THIS GREAT BRITISH INTS THEY ARE SIMPLY REPUBLICAN SCUM AND WORSE THAN THE PEDO ACROSS THE CITY SO FUCKIN STAY AWAY FROM MY BRITISH FOOTBALL CLUB THE GREATEST IN THE WORLDOh its back out of its bag of glue.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wearethepeople72 1,845 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I'd be quite happy if yes voters never stepped foot in Ibrox again. The Beast 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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