East Enclosure Row N 2,823 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, murzo said: That said there is nobody in the squad talking out of turn about not being in the team which shows a great team/squad spirit and togetherness. Or fear? Make no mistake - our manager is ruthless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,523 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 He gave away a penalty on Sunday by losing his man and trying to play catch up. I’m not having a go or anything but all three of our centre backs have made mistakes this season. I genuinely don’t know which one or pair is better than the other. I personally would like to see Katic and Helander together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakbear 3,586 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Helander gives me the fear with his lack of pace. He seems a decent reader of the game and a calm head at the back and if we didn’t have Katic then I could live with Helander. But we DO have Katic and I don’t believe he deserves to be playing second fiddle to a Goldson Helander partnership. Yes he makes mistakes. But no more than any of the other Centre half’s And probably less. Yes he can be over enthusiastic and try to tackle everything but he also is the youngest so with the most potential growth given experience and good coaching. As others have said, he does not deserve to lose the jersey right now And I really hope he doesn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KingKirk 25,647 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 He's still young and makes stupid errors from time to time I like the big man tho. Out of him and Phil tho? We are gonna need both to win this title so get behind them both troops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA1972 9,556 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Helander has everything I’d want in a centre half except for the fact that he can’t fucking move. Like Davie Weir but instead of just being old and a bit slow he seriously cannot move and might be the slowest footballer I’ve ever seen Katic must keep his place, will he have the odd lapse? Yes but he’s still young and very raw, has always stood up and performed when it mattered and has far more upside than Helander Can see Goldson is more confident to go and attack the ball when he has the insurance of someone with a bit of pace next to him as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
murzo 7,446 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Bakbear said: Helander gives me the fear with his lack of pace. He seems a decent reader of the game and a calm head at the back and if we didn’t have Katic then I could live with Helander. But we DO have Katic and I don’t believe he deserves to be playing second fiddle to a Goldson Helander partnership. Yes he makes mistakes. But no more than any of the other Centre half’s And probably less. Yes he can be over enthusiastic and try to tackle everything but he also is the youngest so with the most potential growth given experience and good coaching. As others have said, he does not deserve to lose the jersey right now And I really hope he doesn’t. Plus he’s a threat at corners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackAlex93 11,272 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I suspect Katic will make way for Helander when he is fit again. Would rather have Katic in the side though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getstiffed 8,863 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 52 minutes ago, GA1972 said: Helander has everything I’d want in a centre half except for the fact that he can’t fucking move. Like Davie Weir but instead of just being old and a bit slow he seriously cannot move and might be the slowest footballer I’ve ever seen Katic must keep his place, will he have the odd lapse? Yes but he’s still young and very raw, has always stood up and performed when it mattered and has far more upside than Helander Can see Goldson is more confident to go and attack the ball when he has the insurance of someone with a bit of pace next to him as well It's not that he can't move, it's that he's spent most of career playing in backs to the wall type teams and its taken him a while to get his head round playing on the half way line for the majority of the games he starts. Football is the most complicated simple game there is and people just think if you play well as a CB, for instance, in one team that plays a certain way you should just be able to slot in and play well in a team that play another way. There's a reason why Van Dijk is so highly rated. He's went from playing for Southampton, backs to the wall, to playing for a team that's on the attack constantly and he took to it like he'd being doing it all his career. Look at how we played when Davie Weir was brought in. That is easily the most defensive, compact Rangers side in my life time, even domestically Walter was very cautious with his tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 36 minutes ago, Getstiffed said: It's not that he can't move, it's that he's spent most of career playing in backs to the wall type teams and its taken him a while to get his head round playing on the half way line for the majority of the games he starts. Football is the most complicated simple game there is and people just think if you play well as a CB, for instance, in one team that plays a certain way you should just be able to slot in and play well in a team that play another way. There's a reason why Van Dijk is so highly rated. He's went from playing for Southampton, backs to the wall, to playing for a team that's on the attack constantly and he took to it like he'd being doing it all his career. Look at how we played when Davie Weir was brought in. That is easily the most defensive, compact Rangers side in my life time, even domestically Walter was very cautious with his tactics. I think Walter Smith only spent £3m on the squad he built the second time he was our manager. It was a masterpiece what he did with that squad. Won 3 in a row, a couple of cups (4 I think?) and a UEFA cup final. The football was brutal to watch at times, but we would get the occasional Boyd 35yrd volley against St Midden or Novo belting a cup winning volley that will stick in the memory forever along with winning a cup with 9 men. He built a team that just had one aim - WIN. That day at Kilmarnock which couldn't have happened if McGregor didn't save that penalty against the scum will live in the mind forever which is hopefully an omen for this season 🙏 Anyway, Niko Katic is our best defender. I'm raging that he missed out on development last season for that fucking lanky useless cunt. Just think how good he would be right now if he played all of last season... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,788 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, Redwhiteandblue said: I think Walter Smith only spent £3m on the squad he built the second time he was our manager. That can’t be right. He sold Hutton and Cuellar for a combined 17 million but even with that factored in his net spend would still have been more than 3 million. He signed a lot of players in his second spell for what was decent money at that time - Thomson, McCulloch, Miller, Cuellar, Mendes, Lafferty, Davis, Edu, Bougherra, Velicka, Cousin, Beattie, Jelavic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwhiteandblue 3,330 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, DBBTB said: That’s not right. He sold Hutton and Cuellar for a combined 17 million but even with that factored in his net spend would still have been more than 3 million. He signed a lot of players in his second spell for what was decent money at that time - Thomson(£3), McCulloch(Bosman), Miller(Bosman), Cuellar(Bosman then sold for £8m), Mendes(£3m), Lafferty(£3m😩), Davis(£3m), Edu(£1m), Bougherra(£3m), Velicka(Bosman??), Cousin(£3m), Beattie(Bosman??), Jelavic(£4/5m?) Bank debt brought down from £80m to £18m Relatively speaking, he done some job for the cash spent. I don't think there is anyone else out there who could've done the job he done with what he inherited. The memories he gave me and I guess others is priceless. Some of my best days following our club came in his second spell. (I edited your post above 👍) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,545 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 9 hours ago, Hadron Collider said: Wouldn’t mind seeing him paired with big George to see the damage they could do. Not a brick wall left in govan after they two run through them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,545 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, DBBTB said: That can’t be right. He sold Hutton and Cuellar for a combined 17 million but even with that factored in his net spend would still have been more than 3 million. He signed a lot of players in his second spell for what was decent money at that time - Thomson, McCulloch, Miller, Cuellar, Mendes, Lafferty, Davis, Edu, Bougherra, Velicka, Cousin, Beattie, Jelavic He spent over 2mill on cuellar, bought him from osassuna if memory serves me right after seeing him when they put us out of the UEFA cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,545 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Redwhiteandblue said: Bank debt brought down from £80m to £18m Relatively speaking, he done some job for the cash spent. I don't think there is anyone else out there who could've done the job he done with what he inherited. The memories he gave me and I guess others is priceless. Some of my best days following our club came in his second spell. (I edited your post above 👍) Who do you think played a part in putting the bank debt up (it wasnt at 80mill around walters time as well btw) When plg came in murray had reduced the debt to around 5mill, le guen barely spent a penny and we had a good euro run either side of him coming and going When smith came back we spent a good few quid on the guys that got us to the UEFA cup final, what really humped us was the following season he was allowed to spend money, fucked it against kaunas, then still spent more, then we heard the rumours of the bank running the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,545 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Getstiffed said: It's not that he can't move, it's that he's spent most of career playing in backs to the wall type teams and its taken him a while to get his head round playing on the half way line for the majority of the games he starts. Football is the most complicated simple game there is and people just think if you play well as a CB, for instance, in one team that plays a certain way you should just be able to slot in and play well in a team that play another way. There's a reason why Van Dijk is so highly rated. He's went from playing for Southampton, backs to the wall, to playing for a team that's on the attack constantly and he took to it like he'd being doing it all his career. Look at how we played when Davie Weir was brought in. That is easily the most defensive, compact Rangers side in my life time, even domestically Walter was very cautious with his tactics. Its not even the backs to the wall stuff, he's played in europe all his life, and in europe they play a good number of build up passes etc to get from A to B, in scotland they launch missiles from A to B and he's constantly bombarded with long direct balls in the air that he looks highly uncomfortabe with, especially when he has a 6ft5 caber tossing lump of brick elbowing fuck out of him all game lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehost 11,061 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 the worst CH pairing, that we have, is goldson and helander so what the fuck SG thinks he is doing, shoehorning them in together, is beyond me. Neither have the necessary pace so combining them is beyond madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YearsofWar 549 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Nico is the answer. Who is the best CB in league is the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSuedeSambas 53,788 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Redwhiteandblue said: Bank debt brought down from £80m to £18m Relatively speaking, he done some job for the cash spent. I don't think there is anyone else out there who could've done the job he done with what he inherited. The memories he gave me and I guess others is priceless. Some of my best days following our club came in his second spell. (I edited your post above 👍) It doesn’t change how great a job Smith did in his second spell but McCulloch, Miller, Cuellar, Velicka & Beattie all cost money. None of them were Bosmans. The first three were 2-2.5 million each alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 24,545 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, DBBTB said: It doesn’t change how great a job Smith did in his second spell but McCulloch, Miller, Cuellar, Velicka & Beattie all cost money. None of them were Bosmans. The first three were 2-2.5 million each alone. Then you add in lafferty, mendes, edu, bougherra, whittaker, davis, naismith, jelavic, thomson, thats over 20mill in fees alone there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic8ball 27,901 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 For the sake of the whole team Katic needs to stay in the side even when Helander is fit ,Let him sit on the bench until there’s an injury or suspension to Katic or Goldson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Tiger Shaw said: Big fan of Niko and he’s only going to get better Goldson Katic for me mate Katic /Helander for me .Goldson ....well you can’t argue with his record .Doesn’t convince me tbh .And it trully amazes me sometimes .We don’t get punished for much of his slack play Like them all so it’s a very good predicament for our Manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caps13gb 19 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Was just thinking we've had a good few goals from our center halfs this season..katic 5? Goldson 2? Helander 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights 2,526 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Helander always looked a bit too slow but considering what we paid for him I could see Gerrard giving him another shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plymouthranger 3,872 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 13 hours ago, psb07158 said: I love big Niko, but he lost Ajer for a header in injury time and we were lucky he didn’t connect with it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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