Dingwell

[AMMS 27]

With due respect, he was responding directly to my post which said:

He refuted this by claiming some mean catholic. I agreed that some do, then posted what I posted. His point is an attempt at a counter-point to mine, so I don't think my post was misplaced.

Well, you compared 'Fenian' and 'Happy Birthday' which is a strange comparison to make, I thought that was the post he was replying to. Whatever the original meaning of the the word fenian its etymology is considered by many people to mean catholic. You agree with this so the point is moot, but we shouldn't sing it because it is currently illegal.

[bluepeter 5,627]

Well, you compared 'Fenian' and 'Happy Birthday' which is a strange comparison to make, I thought that was the post he was replying to. Whatever the original meaning of the the word fenian its etymology is considered by many people to mean catholic. You agree with this so the point is moot, but we shouldn't sing it because it is currently illegal.

No it isn't.

[gunslinger 270]

Cases have to be proved beyond all reasonable doubt

thats debatable.

would they have to prove i was trying to kill bp if i shot him 18 times and he lived

[gunslinger 270]

No it isn't.

it is. at very least if you upsett anyone by singing it.

[MisterC 12,287]

thats debatable.

would they have to prove i was trying to kill bp if i shot him 18 times and he lived

That is the worst straw man argument I have seen on here in quite some time!

[AMMS 27]

No it isn't.

Yes it is, the club have banned it and repeatedly told us that. Surely that's not even up for debate.

[bluepeter 5,627]

Yes it is, the club have banned it and repeatedly told us that. Surely that's not even up for debate.

Is that the same as illegal?

[kplfishtank 4,657]

Yes it is, the club have banned it and repeatedly told us that. Surely that's not even up for debate.

so all of a sudden we now have;

no sightings of any letter from UEFA

no banning of any songs by UEFA

the club allegedly telling us its banned by UEFA

what are we to believe

[AMMS 27]

Is that the same as illegal?

Well in the context of this conversation it is.

If you want to try singing it outside Partick Police station then go right ahead, you can let us know what they charge you with.

[bombaybadboy08 15,660]

Well in the context of this conversation it is.

If you want to try singing it outside Partick Police station then go right ahead, you can let us know what they charge you with.

Breach of the peace.

[2bob 3]

thats debatable.

would they have to prove i was trying to kill bp if i shot him 18 times and he lived

You would be convicted on your own admission that you shot him 18 times, arraigned with your finger prints the gun and the bullets, you would be convicted of attempted murder, for which you would receive a community order. For being such a piss poor shot and a probable danger to yourself, you would get detention at her Majesty's pleasure in Carstairs.

[AMMS 27]

so all of a sudden we now have;

no sightings of any letter from UEFA

no banning of any songs by UEFA

the club allegedly telling us its banned by UEFA

what are we to believe

I'm not sure if this is a bash Dingwall thread or a bring back the Billy Boys one, or indeed both. All I know is the song is banned and the club have repeatedly asked us not to sing it. What input Uefa, the SFA, Strathclyde Police or indeed David Murray's personal preference has on it isn't something I can't shine any light on.

[maineflyer 2]

The issue isn't whether TBB is banned but whether it was banned by UEFA and whether there will be any sanctions imposed on THE CLUB if the song is sung.

Personally, it seems obvious the whole UEFA issue is bullshit and anyone who cares to sing the song should just get on with it. There is no UEFA threat. There is only a certain group of people who benefit from pulling the wool over supporter eyes, chief amongst whom is the bastard David Murray.

[bombaybadboy08 15,660]

The issue isn't whether TBB is banned but whether it was banned by UEFA and whether there will be any sanctions imposed on THE CLUB if the song is sung.

Personally, it seems obvious the whole UEFA issue is bullshit and anyone who cares to sing the song should just get on with it. There is no UEFA threat. There is only a certain group of people who benefit from pulling the wool over supporter eyes, chief amongst whom is the bastard David Murray.

[gunslinger 270]

so all of a sudden we now have;

no sightings of any letter from UEFA

no banning of any songs by UEFA

the club allegedly telling us its banned by UEFA

what are we to believe

the club definatley told us it is banned.

[Carsons Dog 9,878]

The issue isn't whether TBB is banned but whether it was banned by UEFA and whether there will be any sanctions imposed on THE CLUB if the song is sung.

Personally, it seems obvious the whole UEFA issue is bullshit and anyone who cares to sing the song should just get on with it. There is no UEFA threat. There is only a certain group of people who benefit from pulling the wool over supporter eyes, chief amongst whom is the bastard David Murray.

What would the 'benefit' be for him then?

[gunslinger 270]

You would be convicted on your own admission that you shot him 18 times, arraigned with your finger prints the gun and the bullets, you would be convicted of attempted murder, for which you would receive a community order. For being such a piss poor shot and a probable danger to yourself, you would get detention at her Majesty's pleasure in Carstairs.

i think i could get of by saying i was just clumsy.

[gunslinger 270]

Breach of the peace.

sectarian breach of the peace actually.

[bombaybadboy08 15,660]

sectarian breach of the peace actually.

I have my doubts with that one I'll check with my plod friend but just sounds like a breach to me.

[nemisis 358]

The issue isn't whether TBB is banned but whether it was banned by UEFA and whether there will be any sanctions imposed on THE CLUB if the song is sung.

Personally, it seems obvious the whole UEFA issue is bullshit and anyone who cares to sing the song should just get on with it. There is no UEFA threat. There is only a certain group of people who benefit from pulling the wool over supporter eyes, chief amongst whom is the bastard David Murray.

And may I just add

Hullo Hullo

We are the Billy Boys

Hullo Hullo

You'll know us by we're noise

We're up to our knees in fenian blood

Surrender or you'll die

For we are the Brigton Derry boys.

Get it learned youngsters.

[Jimbo. 952]

sectarian breach of the peace actually.

That would depend on whether they let you get to the good bit.

[2bob 3]

i think i could get of by saying i was just clumsy.

You could wave a sheet of paper in the air, and claim UEFA have declared you are banned from being found guilty, I am sure M'Lud would be suitably impressed and award you a holiday in Saltcoats. Apparently the waving of a sheet of paper definitely works, according to some who are easily led.

[gunslinger 270]

I have my doubts with that one I'll check with my plod friend but just sounds like a breach to me.

they will add sectarian to it in a hearbeat its the in thing dont you know.

nothing surer.

[DietofWorms 2,063]

Well in the context of this conversation it is.

If you want to try singing it outside Partick Police station then go right ahead, you can let us know what they charge you with.

Yeah,but you stand outside a polis station singing Kumbaya at the top of your voice for long enough, you'll get lifted. It don't make Kumbaya illegal.

The Law has to be in the context of right or wrong and I don't think the issue of songs at the footy has been addressed fully, other than a trendy New Labour vote rigger in the Glasgow area.

This Sectarian 'law', whatever it is, is a fallacy. No one knows what is 'legal' or not.

Songs or comedy my be offensive... but criminal???

[gunslinger 270]

That would depend on whether they let you get to the good bit.

i know coppers that would join in.