thebooler 4,509 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 33 minutes ago, siddiqi_drinker said: Another 5 year old getting bumped ????? They just can't help it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,920 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 14/03/2012 at 11:54 AM, Creampuff said: Just because those clubs lack our dignity does not mean we should drop to their level. Is it undignified to make a point which many consider valid? There will be many in our fan-base who will be unaware of such historical facts. One of the oft-quoted comments I have read over the years is that "you can only beat the teams put in front of you". I have also often thought that excluding such trophies detracts from the players at the time who through no fault of their own lost out during WW2 on getting the recognition for their football success. I'm not in any way underplaying the war and its effects. My mother's cousin had agreed to sign for RFC as a goalkeeper but very sadly never came back from the far east and now lies buried in a CWG cemetery in Kuala Lumpur. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I'm happy with our world record 54 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,568 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 14 March 2012 at 11:52 AM, Miggy Sinclair said: I believe now is the right time to campaign to have the WW2 titles recognised, given that full participation took place with all the big teams and full seasons. There are a number of justifications: Full Seasons Full participation Aberdeen and Hibs quote their honours as official during this period - Rangers don't - this is key in the arguments Celtics WW1 titles stand - another injustice - in England WW1 titles are not counted Actually 7 full leagues were played during WW2 1939-40 Division 1 (this is only short campaign) Rangers 1st, Celtic 4th when it finished Full Campaign Rangers 1st, Celtic 13th War cup - Rangers winners 1940-41 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 5th League Cup - Rangers Winners 1941-42 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 3rd League Cup - Rangers Winners 1942-43 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 10th League Cup Winners - Rangers 1943-44 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 2nd League Cup Winners - Hibs beat us 6-5 on corners, included in their honours 1944-45 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 2nd League Cup Winners - Rangers 1945-46 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 4th League Cup Winners - Aberdeen, included in their honours There seems no justification for these other clubs including honours and ours not standing, as well as Celtic including theirs for WW1. As well as winning 7 titles we also won 5 cups, 4 league cups and a war cup. In total we have been denied 12 trophies in total! With all the talk of us losing trophies - we should have these 12 included in our honours. Others have - Hibs and Aberdeen. The worst should be Celtic stripped of their WW1 titles but tbh it would be fairer just to include our 12. The main justification for taking their titles is that in England, these were suspended during WW1 - why should they have these. It's totally biased and wrong, not just morally but factually. Sporting integrity would demand that these titles should be added. If Aberdeen and Hibs include in their honours then there is no reason why we don't include in ours. Unveil the 6th star! 61 and counting. Rangers 8 Celtic 1. We welcome the chase. I fully agree with this, so who is it that is doing the campaigning? If not the club, forget it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piperpete 3,186 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 3 hours ago, danger ranger said: This thread is bringing all the taigs out of the woodwork, the majority of the opposing posters aren't old enough to remember the Iraq war never mind quote on wars 70 odd years ago. Fuck the scum, let's attack them on all fronts, make a fucking nuisance of ourselves, a bit of reverse psychology, a bit of cold steel right up them, let see how they like it. Thank goodnescwe ave Auld sages like thebooler to tell us what ww1 and ww2 were like for league football. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Soprano 22,428 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I'd prefer if those clubs where stripped of their honours and we kept our dignity by dedicating ours to those that lost their lives protecting ours. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,924 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Some good old posters on that 2012 thread, WVB being the one that stands out for me, where are they now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6superbarry6 14,292 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 14 March 2012 at 0:02 PM, The Godfather said: Ideally we could strip clubs of those titles during wartime but that will never happen. If clubs like Celtic count them then why should Rangers just leave them out? Because we're better than them Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nameless Ghoul 6,137 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Get this thread to fuck. Embarassing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Bears 2 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I'm happy that we keep the morale high ground on the fact that we respect the fact that Britain was at war! However, it should not be totally dismissed if the SFA and the rest of the scumbags were to ever try and take away any of our current titles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will2203 827 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 14/03/2012 at 1:52 PM, Miggy Sinclair said: I believe now is the right time to campaign to have the WW2 titles recognised, given that full participation took place with all the big teams and full seasons. There are a number of justifications: Full Seasons Full participation Aberdeen and Hibs quote their honours as official during this period - Rangers don't - this is key in the arguments Celtics WW1 titles stand - another injustice - in England WW1 titles are not counted Actually 7 full leagues were played during WW2 1939-40 Division 1 (this is only short campaign) Rangers 1st, Celtic 4th when it finished Full Campaign Rangers 1st, Celtic 13th War cup - Rangers winners 1940-41 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 5th League Cup - Rangers Winners 1941-42 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 3rd League Cup - Rangers Winners 1942-43 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 10th League Cup Winners - Rangers 1943-44 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 2nd League Cup Winners - Hibs beat us 6-5 on corners, included in their honours 1944-45 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 2nd League Cup Winners - Rangers 1945-46 League Rangers 1st, Celtic 4th League Cup Winners - Aberdeen, included in their honours There seems no justification for these other clubs including honours and ours not standing, as well as Celtic including theirs for WW1. As well as winning 7 titles we also won 5 cups, 4 league cups and a war cup. In total we have been denied 12 trophies in total! With all the talk of us losing trophies - we should have these 12 included in our honours. Others have - Hibs and Aberdeen. The worst should be Celtic stripped of their WW1 titles but tbh it would be fairer just to include our 12. The main justification for taking their titles is that in England, these were suspended during WW1 - why should they have these. It's totally biased and wrong, not just morally but factually. Sporting integrity would demand that these titles should be added. If Aberdeen and Hibs include in their honours then there is no reason why we don't include in ours. Unveil the 6th star! 61 and counting. Rangers 8 Celtic 1. We welcome the chase. Thanks for the history lesson, I was not aware of this info. But, I am not with you. We have done the right thing and should not stoop to the sub standard behaviour of others with no morals and dignity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tam57 698 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, will2203 said: Thanks for the history lesson, I was not aware of this info. But, I am not with you. We have done the right thing and should not stoop to the sub standard behaviour of others with no morals and dignity. I agree with you on this one but I think it good to highlight this to the scum who are wanting us to lose titles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,568 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 16 minutes ago, will2203 said: Thanks for the history lesson, I was not aware of this info. But, I am not with you. We have done the right thing and should not stoop to the sub standard behaviour of others with no morals and dignity. We lost the sub standard behaviour, morality and dgnity arguement when we elected King as Chairman ffs! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creampuff 22,630 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 14/03/2012 at 11:54 AM, Creampuff said: Just because those clubs lack our dignity does not mean we should drop to their level. For those new to the site that are wondering, my opinions have always been so fucking spectacular. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth_Campsie_Ger 18,150 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Taigy as fuck to want them titles, if they recognise their war titles it just truly shows what a scummy club they are! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 The Second World War was an unofficial league set up as a morale booster for the nation. It included guest players go teams etc. It was also split into north/south regions unlike the ww1 league titles. In short the league was not suspended in ww1 and the league was in ww2 - just leave it and focus on 55 asap - that's the Rangers Way Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,521 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Were we given the proper league trophy and have our name engraved on it during the war years ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack The Flipper 5,936 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 14/03/2012 at 11:54 AM, Creampuff said: Just because those clubs lack our dignity does not mean we should drop to their level. What's dignity ever won? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,924 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jack The Flipper said: What's dignity ever won? Loads for Deacon Blue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsLaud 4,186 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 First time I have seen this Brilliant thread Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanoli 4,628 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 14/03/2012 at 11:54 AM, Creampuff said: Just because those clubs lack our dignity does not mean we should drop to their level. This nailed it in 2012, still nails it now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears 794 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 We don't need to campaign for the titles to be recognised. But if every time we hear or read some crap about stripping our hard-won titles in recent years, we should say/write that if they are stripped we will start counting our war titles like celtc and others do so we will end up with an even bigger number. If we say it often enough, it may make them think twice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mearns loyal 2,798 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Hearts started the 1914/15 season with a 2-0 victory over the tramps and of the eleven who started that match 9 of them were killed or injured during the War. Nothing more needs to be said... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfanciesthedude 25,126 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 3/14/2012 at 11:54 AM, Creampuff said: Just because those clubs lack our dignity does not mean we should drop to their level. As much as its a good point, perhaps our dignified stance is what got us here in the first place, times have changed, people fight dirty now so maybe we should to Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvd1873 7,453 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 On 14/03/2012 at 8:00 PM, Creampuff said: Can't believe so many people want this. The only campaign should be to have other clubs not count their trophies won during wartime. Fair comment mate, but if other clubs don't follow that rule we should rightfully claim ours, it's upholding sporting integrity Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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