European Commission seek explanation on Celtic land deals

[72barca 1,788]

A Planning or Commercial Property Lawyer may work here but they are not cheap!

Oh to have a sympathetic journalist!

Do you know of any lawyers in these fields? Why not run it by them and see if we should be the ones to go after the east enders?

Maybe the SPFL and/or the SFA would create a tribunal to investigate, after all they did the very same for us on EBTs before the FTT had given a verdict. One proviso though, big Rod at Harper and MacCleod would have a conflict of interest and should be reclused.

Even if the club cannot afford to get involved at the moment, then why do the fans not push for funds from the RFFF ( which could be enhanced if need be with a fresh donation from the fans ) to carry the case forward? After all, it is surely in everyone's interest to make sure that any team who was cheating or maybe using financial doping should NOT be entitled to titles and cups won while they were engaging in such activities.

Quite apart from anything else, the fans would be performing their civic duty for the citizens of the City of Glasgow by highlighting to them just how their councillors are using ( or not ) their money.

[The Educator 1,572]

72barca - "Maybe the SPFL and/or the SFA would create a tribunal to investigate, after all they did the very same for us on EBTs before the FTT had given a verdict. One proviso though, big Rod at Harper and MacCleod would have a conflict of interest and should be reclused."

I think the major problem we have regarding the SPFL and SFA is that so many posts are held by c****c men or sympathisers to there cause. Indeed some might say that the two men at the top of these organisations got their jobs on the say so of c****c. As for Rod at HM, his activities my well fall under the remit of any investigation, remember the alleged "you bastards have been cheating us for years" rant from the five way agreement talks.

Let's be honest, getting this situation investigated without bias is going to be difficult as it covers a football club, the Scottish football authorities, a national bank, two councils, the UK tax authorities and quite possibly people sitting in the Scottish government from two political parties plus a former UK cabinet member who now sits in the House of Lords. This situation has the potential to be the biggest football scandal in Europe, the biggest political scandal that Scotland if not the UK has ever witnessed and if it ran its course a feasting ground for the lawyers in regard of damages to the share holders in the previous parent company of the club and to the club as it is now run under new ownership. As we have experienced to date it's not going to be an easy fight, but it is a fight that must go on.

[Blue Nosed Babe 20,774]

If a Solicitor ends up being investigated that is done by the Law Society or police.

The Solicitor may have acted in accordance with instructions and may not know all the lies and dodgy stuff.

I don't really know anyone on this field off the top of my head but someone can be found. We do not seem to have a basis for any action right now so it might be wise to put this on hold until Europe have decided what to do.

If they find wrongdoing then we may need a specialist in EU Law and a Civil Litigator to boot.

[brigtonboy 20]

Only in regards to SEPA but the way I read this is that SEPA are saying they have no knowledge or no notification from GCC saying that the ground is contaminated.

This in itself doesn't give the land a clear bill of health all it does is state that SEPA have no information to that regard.

I think the next step is to ask SEPA if a site of land was allegedly cleared of contamination to the extent that it reduced the lands value of £3.5 million would they or should they have been expected to be notified ?

and would there be a special waste consignment notice to this effect ?

and who would hold this information ?

and how long should this record be kept ?

Found this on the SEPA website.

"Local authorities are required to give notice of land identified as contaminated (or designated as a special site) to: SEPA; the owner of the land; any person who appears to the local authority to be in occupation of the whole or any part of the land; and each person who appears to the authority to be an appropriate person. The notifications of contaminated land are required to be placed on the public register. There is no mechanism for Appropriate Persons to appeal against a local authority's decision that land is contaminated or a special site."

[Bheast Skelper 411]

Something stinks here as there was a report on the Clyde gateway saying there was contamination on westhorn but very low contamination. Now I thought if you found contamination on your land you have to report it to SEPA and they give you a timescale to get the land remediated yet SEPA are saying they have no record of contamination at westhorn . Time for the truth gcc

I noticed on a FOI yesterday they have released the geo technical report to the eu commission but still won't release it to the public

Oh this is reeking. I'll bet there was a brown envelope handed over with that report.

[bluenosebrad 452]

Lets not forget Rangers were investigated with much much less info that was provided with regards to dealings, For the life of me I cant work out why Media, SFA/SPFL have not said one thing regarding this. You would think this could be or is the biggest scoop for any journalist or up and coming to get a major story, but just the odd mention then pushed aside.

[soulboy 2,518]

Found this on the SEPA website.

"Local authorities are required to give notice of land identified as contaminated (or designated as a special site) to: SEPA; the owner of the land; any person who appears to the local authority to be in occupation of the whole or any part of the land; and each person who appears to the authority to be an appropriate person. The notifications of contaminated land are required to be placed on the public register. There is no mechanism for Appropriate Persons to appeal against a local authority's decision that land is contaminated or a special site."

they must also say who remidiated the site and when on the register. So with SEPA denying any knowledge of contamination it's safe to say there is none or GCC would be up shit creek. Looks like we'll have to wait and see what the eu commission say now .

[Bad Robot 21,279]

Oh this is reeking. I'll bet there was a brown envelope handed over with that report.

Maybe PZJ is formally requesting it from the guys he met at the EC.

I would also like to think that SEPA are opening their own investigation on why they haven't been notified if GCC still maintain it's contaminated.

[ARockit 118]

Place to lodge complaint against council

http://www.spso.org.uk/how-complain-about-public-service

[ArchibaldLeitch 380]

I wouldn't have any issues making my donation and maybe the VB's could have a donation link for this purpose published on their website.

That is an excellent idea.

[Adoniram 1,919]

There may be nothing in this and despite what we think everything may be above board if slightly naughty.

The fact the media aren't wanting to even touch it is what's downright sinister in this republican shitehole.

Why don't they want to investigate it the same way they did with our EBT's and Craig Whyte "scandals"????

[ArchibaldLeitch 380]

There may be nothing in this and despite what we think everything may be above board if slightly naughty.

The fact the media aren't wanting to even touch it is what's downright sinister in this republican shitehole.

Why don't they want to investigate it the same way they did with our EBT's and Craig Whyte "scandals"????

If everything is above board why the refusal to release the geo technical report?

I believe the media are waiting to see if the EU begin a formal investigation, even then i dont expect the tarrier infested media in scotland to pursue the truth but in fact circle the wagons and go on full deflect and deny mode.

[bluenose1975 1,287]

Any fresh news on this?

[soulboy 2,518]

I'm sure PZJ said on twitter his work is done all documents are now with the eu and just waiting on a verdict

[bluenose1975 1,287]

Tick tock then

[cumnockbear 2,446]

Really hope these sly,fly,smug,corrupt,cheating bastards get what's coming to them, there's no way out for these slimy,slippery cunts, they've so much to hide, GCC not releasing GEO tech reports, SEPA having no record of contaminated land, really hope PZJ,football tax haven and VB's hard work comes to something, i hope the EU see these pricks for what they really are and hammer them.

[72barca 1,788]

How much clearer must our guys make this point before the MSM pick up this story?

Financial Integrity, Football

Options to acquire land given solely to Celtic can be construed as State Aid

Posted by footballtaxhavens ⋅ March 11, 2014⋅ Leave a comment

Filed Under Celtic FC, Glasgow City Council, Greater Glasgow Health Board, Lennoxtown

Options are a right but not an obligation to acquire or sell an asset. There are derivative markets all around the world in which options & futures are bought & sold. Options can also be traded off-market, called over-the-counter. Options have value – they are worth money, even in private transactions.

Actual options when solely awarding Celtic the right to acquire land by Glasgow City Council should have been paid for & not in token amounts like 1p or £1. None of the GCC documents mention any option charge.

Even where there was no Actual Option contract an Implied Option can be constructed when both Glasgow City Council and the NHS GGC did not market their land and open it up to the whole market but dealt solely to Celtic throughout negotiations. Sometimes over years. They gave Celtic pre-emption rights ie. options by their actions and did not charge for them.

Both Glasgow City Council & NHS GGC may stand accused of providing State Aid even in the manner of their transactions never mind the valuations.

London Road Primary School Option

As we have seen before, Glasgow City Council in 19 January 2007, announced they were giving Celtic a 3 year option on the London Road Primary School then in December 2013 a GCC Executive Committee document announced that the option started in April 2009 (it took 2 years to write a contract?) and what was a 3 year option turned out to be a 4 year option ending in April 2014. So in effect Celtic have had a 7 year option to acquire the London Road Primary School during which time it was left to rot. No other party was considered for 7 years.

Also announced in the same 17 January 2007 document is the Council giving Celtic ‘a right of pre-emption, to last 3 years’ over land in the ‘Celtic triangle’. This is also an option.

Indeed Glasgow City Council admitted that none of the land sold to Celtic was openly offered on the market to others parties at the same time.

2009 Westhorn

2009 The Celtic Triangle (Four plots of land)

2013 London Road Primary School plus other land

Similarly the NHS GGC dealt exclusively for the Upper site at Lennoxtown only with Celtic with no marketing of the land.

The amazing thing is they have no idea that this modus operandus is wrong under EU State Aid and with the GCC the number of times it has happened shows it is systemic which is worse.

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[haie 6]

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[soulboy 2,518]

How much clearer must our guys make this point before the MSM pick up this story?

Financial Integrity, Football

Options to acquire land given solely to Celtic can be construed as State Aid

Posted by footballtaxhavens ⋅ March 11, 2014⋅ Leave a comment

Filed Under Celtic FC, Glasgow City Council, Greater Glasgow Health Board, Lennoxtown

Options are a right but not an obligation to acquire or sell an asset. There are derivative markets all around the world in which options & futures are bought & sold. Options can also be traded off-market, called over-the-counter. Options have value – they are worth money, even in private transactions.

Actual options when solely awarding Celtic the right to acquire land by Glasgow City Council should have been paid for & not in token amounts like 1p or £1. None of the GCC documents mention any option charge.

Even where there was no Actual Option contract an Implied Option can be constructed when both Glasgow City Council and the NHS GGC did not market their land and open it up to the whole market but dealt solely to Celtic throughout negotiations. Sometimes over years. They gave Celtic pre-emption rights ie. options by their actions and did not charge for them.

Both Glasgow City Council & NHS GGC may stand accused of providing State Aid even in the manner of their transactions never mind the valuations.

London Road Primary School Option

As we have seen before, Glasgow City Council in 19 January 2007, announced they were giving Celtic a 3 year option on the London Road Primary School then in December 2013 a GCC Executive Committee document announced that the option started in April 2009 (it took 2 years to write a contract?) and what was a 3 year option turned out to be a 4 year option ending in April 2014. So in effect Celtic have had a 7 year option to acquire the London Road Primary School during which time it was left to rot. No other party was considered for 7 years.

Also announced in the same 17 January 2007 document is the Council giving Celtic ‘a right of pre-emption, to last 3 years’ over land in the ‘Celtic triangle’. This is also an option.

Indeed Glasgow City Council admitted that none of the land sold to Celtic was openly offered on the market to others parties at the same time.

2009 Westhorn

2009 The Celtic Triangle (Four plots of land)

2013 London Road Primary School plus other land

Similarly the NHS GGC dealt exclusively for the Upper site at Lennoxtown only with Celtic with no marketing of the land.

The amazing thing is they have no idea that this modus operandus is wrong under EU State Aid and with the GCC the number of times it has happened shows it is systemic which is worse.

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What would be very interesting is who approached who about the land did GCC contact Celtic to say "hey our great friends do you want to buy some land" or did a "friend" from gcc give a heads up to scum fc about the land being available for sale ?

Maybe another FOI is in order.

[Mr Soprano 13,964]

Dunno if it's related but the boss of the Co-op resigned.

[BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT 8,293]

Cannot yet understand why NOT ONE media outlet is running with this , The evidence has been found through different sources , the evidence has been brought to the front by the freedom of information ,not hearsay /rumours . It is in print , from original sources .Why are they so scared to go with this ,this is now the real problem ! , Yes we all knew/heard rumours for years regarding these issues ,although now they appear to be true .Who is putting the brakes on with all of these unscrupulous dealings staring everyone in the face ?

[mabawsa 888]

Dunno if it's related but the boss of the Co-op resigned.

Expect a certain CEO from a Fitba club to be installed soon as a replacement.

[Blueshoff 11,874]

Cannot yet understand why NOT ONE media outlet is running with this , The evidence has been found through different sources , the evidence has been brought to the front by the freedom of information ,not hearsay /rumours . It is in print , from original sources .Why are they so scared to go with this ,this is now the real problem ! , Yes we all knew/heard rumours for years regarding these issues ,although now they appear to be true .Who is putting the brakes on with all of these unscrupulous dealings staring everyone in the face ?

As you point out there are plenty of FACTS, not rumours or internet fantasies. They seem pretty conclusive but no doubt people with 'other interests' may interperate them another way to try to disprove what we all think. Yet none of the media are even doing that - is that because they have been told to keep it out of the public eye or becase they can't make a case against this being corrupt? Either way looks like point proved for the Bears.

[Thermopylae 15,287]

Cannot yet understand why NOT ONE media outlet is running with this , The evidence has been found through different sources , the evidence has been brought to the front by the freedom of information ,not hearsay /rumours . It is in print , from original sources .Why are they so scared to go with this ,this is now the real problem ! , Yes we all knew/heard rumours for years regarding these issues ,although now they appear to be true .Who is putting the brakes on with all of these unscrupulous dealings staring everyone in the face ?

I think it shows they are all running scared of liewell ... could you imagine them sitting on it if it was us my god they would all be full of it every day

[The Educator 1,572]

mabawsa - "Expect a certain CEO from a Fitba club to be installed soon as a replacement."

Tbh, would any of us be really surprised if hey did?