teddybear1975 2,022 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, GOAT said: Sorry I couldn't give a fuck, he has a wife and child on the way. An absolute selfish bastard. They and the rest of his family will have to pick up the pieces from his careless act. Ridiculous thing to say! If you understood the effects depression etc has on people you wouldn't be posting shite like that! Shame on you. 8 minutes ago, GOAT said: Sorry I couldn't give a fuck, he has a wife and child on the way. An absolute selfish bastard. They and the rest of his family will have to pick up the pieces from his careless act. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 11 minutes ago, Mr Soprano said: Who knows what he's been through in his life? It's no as simple as you or I condemning him because he's left them behind. It's such a tragic situation but the 'not giving a fuck' line is pretty harsh. It's not ridiculous at all, he's selfish. End of. That poor wean is going to grow up never meeting his da. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,810 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 What a tragic situation especially with a baby on the way. While it always seems that it is the easy way out for the person, I have had family and friends take their own lives and I believe they just cannot see a way out of whatever hell they are going through. Condolences to all the family. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
one55 1,510 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 sorry to hear that thoughts are with kris and of course scotts partner and child. a lot of people will hate on him cause he committed suicide but you don't know what he was struggling with. suicide is what happens when you feel you have no other option. would you jump out a building for fear of the flames or stay there and let it consume you? that's what it feels like for those who don't know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,121 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, Bears r us said: What a tragic situation especially with a baby on the way. While it always seems that it is the easy way out for the person, I have had family and friends take their own lives and I believe they just cannot see a way out of whatever hell they are going through. Condolences to all the family. One of my best mates done it. You may mind the thread I made a couple of years ago. His wee sister done it at 13, his mum then done it and then he done it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy cox 664 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, GOAT said: It's not ridiculous at all, he's selfish. End of. That poor wean is going to grow up never meeting his da. You have expressed your opinion on three occasions now so why don't you just leave it at that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 90,829 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: One of my best mates done it. You may mind the thread I made a couple of years ago. His wee sister done it at 13, his mum then done it and then he done it. My mate done it too, one of the most selfless people I knew, he just got up left a few messages and away he went. Horrible even trying to think what's going through the minds of someone in that mental state. Breaks my heart man, sorry about your pal too that sent a shivver down me reading it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears r us 30,810 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: One of my best mates done it. You may mind the thread I made a couple of years ago. His wee sister done it at 13, his mum then done it and then he done it. I remember it well mate, I had a similar situation some years ago in our family and also had friends, it always seems so pointless but the mind is very powerful and if it goes wrong sometimes no amount of help will work IMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee9 3,974 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Thought are with kris boyd and his family this morning. Just heartbreaking Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hilts 12,819 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 8 minutes ago, Mr Soprano said: People can go through years and years and years of this and it won't help them. Do you seriously think coming to the conclusion that he wanted to kill himself, given the family etc, is the 'easy' way out? As harsh as it may sound, yes I do. I'm not trying to play down depression, I have friends and family members who've suffered from it. It is an awful illness and as you have rightly pointed out, for some people it is incurable. But, again as harsh as it may sound, all he has done is inflict an awful pain on to his family. None more so than his partner, who will have to explain to their unborn child one day that his/her Dad wasn't strong enough to raise them. I can only speak for myself, but I'm very close to my immediate family, and if one of them was to ever take their own lives, I don't think I'd ever fully recover from it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, GOAT said: It's not ridiculous at all, he's selfish. End of. That poor wean is going to grow up never meeting his da. As I said, tragic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Sad news really hard for those left behind to understand why I'm sure, thankfully I've never been in that position. I do know a couple of people who have done this but not close family. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Soprano 13,964 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, BF2 said: As harsh as it may sound, yes I do. I'm not trying to play down depression, I have friends and family members who've suffered from it. It is an awful illness and as you have rightly pointed out, for some people it is incurable. But, again as harsh as it may sound, all he has done is inflict an awful pain on to his family. None more so than his partner, who will have to explain to their unborn child one day that his/her Dad wasn't strong enough to raise them. I can only speak for myself, but I'm very close to my immediate family, and if one of them was to ever take their own lives, I don't think I'd ever fully recover from it. I'd like to hope that the child's mother and family will know the reasons why he done it and will be able explain to him/her why he done such a thing. Take it from me, you don't. But when you realise the reasons they have done it, in a rather perverse way, it helped me massively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkiebear 1,013 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Can understand people having different opinions on suicide, but some people seem far too harsh. In my opinion it`s an illness of the mind that people don`t choose to have. You don`t shout at a dementia sufferer and call them ignorant for forgetting your name, so you shouldn`t call someone a selfish bastard for committing suicide. Maybe seems like a simplistic view to have but I think some people totally underestimate and misunderstand depression. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 71,998 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, kirkiebear said: Can understand people having different opinions on suicide, but some people seem far too harsh. In my opinion it`s an illness of the mind that people don`t choose to have. You don`t shout at a dementia sufferer and call them ignorant for forgetting your name, so you shouldn`t call someone a selfish bastard for committing suicide. Maybe seems like a simplistic view to have but I think some people totally underestimate and misunderstand depression. Everyone has different experiences with it, it's a raw subject with plenty of emotion involved. No one is right or wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,534 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, BF2 said: As harsh as it may sound, yes I do. I'm not trying to play down depression, I have friends and family members who've suffered from it. It is an awful illness and as you have rightly pointed out, for some people it is incurable. But, again as harsh as it may sound, all he has done is inflict an awful pain on to his family. None more so than his partner, who will have to explain to their unborn child one day that his/her Dad wasn't strong enough to raise them. I can only speak for myself, but I'm very close to my immediate family, and if one of them was to ever take their own lives, I don't think I'd ever fully recover from it. You don't know his mental state though. It's mental illness we're talking about here. He probably wasn't thinking rationally. For all we know he though he was saving his family from himself. It's hard to accept someone doing that to their own family, but you have to recognise that you probably haven't ever felt anything like what he did and so it's entirely impossible for anyone to say they wouldn't have done the same thing. It's ridiculous to be judgemental about this kind of thing when you haven't felt exactly what he felt. Each depression is different and individual and more than likely many are utterly horrible, a living hell. Nobody can judge him without knowing his particular hell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlearyEyedBear 4,148 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Sad news, especially leaving a pregnant wife behind. As much as we try to understand, sometimes the human mind is unfathomable. Men, more-so than women, don't seem to be able to talk about it, and bottle it all up until they see suicide as the only option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkiebear 1,013 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Just now, The Godfather said: Everyone has different experiences with it, it's a raw subject with plenty of emotion involved. No one is right or wrong. Agreed. Everyone`s opinion will be moulded from their own personal experience of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfc_watp 1,503 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, Rfc52 said: One of my best mates done it. You may mind the thread I made a couple of years ago. His wee sister done it at 13, his mum then done it and then he done it. That last paragraph is absolutely tragic mate, what a shame for that family. 13 seems awful young aswell so she must have been a troubled wee girl. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds 3,359 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Of the people I know who have killed themselves, it's been more a case of genuinely believing that their families would be better off without them, feeling that they're only causing stress and upset. To kill yourself, you can't be thinking rationally, but there's the crux of the matter, they won't be thinking clearly, but to them it must make sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 35 minutes ago, Mr Soprano said: People can go through years and years and years of this and it won't help them. Do you seriously think coming to the conclusion that he wanted to kill himself, given the family etc, is the 'easy' way out? yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 24 minutes ago, sammy cox said: You have expressed your opinion on three occasions now so why don't you just leave it at that. probably because people keep replying to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, The Godfather said: Everyone has different experiences with it, it's a raw subject with plenty of emotion involved. No one is right or wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlearyEyedBear 4,148 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 An article on unilad I read yesterday... We Need To Remove The Stigma That Surrounds Suicide Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 selfish ˈsɛlfɪʃ/ adjective egocentric, egotistic, egotistical,egomaniacal, self-centred, self-regarding, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-seeking, self-serving,wrapped up in oneself, inward-looking,introverted, self-loving; Definitely not the feelings of a suicidal person, self loathing would be more appropriate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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