Big Al 55 9,252 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 50 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: So you agree Barton goes against everything Warburton believes in when it comes squad harmony and atmosphere in the dressing room. In hindsight that appears to be the case. But then based on his previous 3 years, perhaps MW thought that was a risk worth taking. Life isn't black and white and hindsight doesn't really make you smart. Didn't work out...certainly would be pretty silly to use this as some sort of verification he didn't sanction the signing. Fred H Crawford 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrfc95 4,255 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 105 pages and I don't think there's a single fact anywhere... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 44 minutes ago, simplythebest said: Negotiating and contracts I'd think, even when managers have the final say the boardroom will be the ones talking to clubs and players about money Can't wait until the folk who denied this happened under McCoist insist it is 100% the case under MW. Bluepeter9 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 38 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Heavily as in getting deals over the line! Are you, to be clear, alluding to AD and SR influencing deals that MW does not consent? Seriously? If so you need to take time out..... Dave king promised share holders a marquee signing. That promise had to be fulfilled. Why would MW choose a marquee signing with a history that goes against everything he believes and needs? JB was guaranteed to mess up, so why choose him? MW made it quite clear to DK what his needs were Quote Asked if he needs further financial assistance from King and his co-investors Warburton said:“Absolutely. The gap is there. Don’t be fooled by that. “We can’t go into next season feeling satisfied with second, third or fourth. We need to be highly competitive. To do that we’ve got to keep working hard on and off the pitch. “If we can get the environment and quality of player right then we’ll be in a good place. “The prospect of European football also impacts on our recruitment. If we do win the Final then we've got to add one or two more players. “It’s important now we don’t stop. If Rangers stop we have a problem. We must keep pushing really hard.” http://www.<No links to this website>/sport/football/mark-warburton-warns-dave-king-7777872 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,647 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 This is the quietest joey's been in his puff his arse must be playin buttons tae get back in the limelight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ger4life_1872 29,528 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: Dave king promised share holders a marquee signing. That promise had to be fulfilled. Why would MW choose a marquee signing with a history that goes against everything he believes and needs? JB was guaranteed to mess up, so why choose him? MW made it quite clear to DK what his needs were Maybe mw bought barton knowing it would go wrong and he could be freed from his contract to take another job Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,729 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: Dave king promised share holders a marquee signing. That promise had to be fulfilled. Why would MW choose a marquee signing with a history that goes against everything he believes and needs? JB was guaranteed to mess up, so why choose him? MW made it quite clear to DK what his needs were So now we're assuming Mr 30 million pound man delivers a player the gaffer doesn't want to fulfil a commitment of sorts to our support? And MW who walked away from his job due to restrictions on his control over transfers accepts this? Oh and that that very marquee signing was one who was guaranteed to fail. The bottom quote you provided in no way supports your assertions. Which have been blown out of the water by the very article you provided quoting FM. You have 0 substance to your claims. Zero. OhW 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, The Dude said: Can't wait until the folk who denied this happened under McCoist insist it is 100% the case under MW. I'm not saying it absolves managers of blame especially if they're asking the board to use a large chunk of the transfer/wage budget, was just saying that managers aren't the ones doing all the negotiations like on FM The Dude 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: So now we're assuming Mr 30 million pound man delivers a player the gaffer doesn't want to fulfil a commitment of sorts to our support? And MW who walked away from his job due to restrictions on his control over transfers accepts this? Oh and that that very marquee signing was one who was guaranteed to fail. The bottom quote you provided in no way supports your assertions. Which have been blown out of the water by the very article you provided quoting FM. You have 0 substance to your claims. Zero. There's no claims, the thread was debating the possibilities that Barton goes against all of Warburton thinking when it comes to buying players. so who signed him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,729 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 8 minutes ago, Sweetheart said: There's no claims, the thread was debating the possibilities that Barton goes against all of Warburton thinking when it comes to buying players. so who signed him? "Agreed. Question still remains did MW sign him? To me he doesn't seem like a person who would take those sort of risks. If it wasn't him then who went over his head?" Did MW sign him (No). Reasoning given. Expanding on it with who did. That's your quote above. And an opinion or claim that someone other that MW was responsible for the signing. From you. Desperate shit stirring stuff from you on here puting out that the manager is undermined. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 minute ago, OhW said: Prove it. It was in the newspapers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWBear 1,640 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, Sweetheart said: It was in the newspapers absolute bollocks mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, simplythebest said: I'm not saying it absolves managers of blame especially if they're asking the board to use a large chunk of the transfer/wage budget, was just saying that managers aren't the ones doing all the negotiations like on FM Managers still have say in identifying targets etc but money stuff is often totally out of their control. When McCoist was getting hammered for players being over-paid the mere suggestion he didn't personally negotiate their deals was scoffed at. Christ, we are one of the few big clubs where the manager is still autonomous in terms of identifying transfer targets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: "Agreed. Question still remains did MW sign him? To me he doesn't seem like a person who would take those sort of risks. If it wasn't him then who went over his head?" Did MW sign him (No). Reasoning given. Expanding on it with who did. That's your quote above. And an opinion or claim that someone other that MW was responsible for the signing. From you. Desperate shit stirring stuff from you on here puting out that the manager is undermined. I don't believe MW did sign him. I believe DK chose him as a ome off gesture because he made a promise to sign a marquee player. He's now fulfilled his promise. I don't feel MW should be blamed for this signing as it goes against everything he needs or wants from a player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, KWBear said: If Warburton didn't sign him, or was against his signing in the first instance, then why has he been shoe horned in to every single team sheet when he was available. Surely if the manager had no faith in barton, and had been against his signing, he wouldnt have started him in the biggest game of the season being the first match away against the scum? dont buy into this theory that it was a board signing. the burnley links between the manager and dyche are glaringly apparent, along with mcparland. they knew what they were getting when warburton quite clearly, by his own admission, spoke with dyche (his self-professed "best friend in football") about joey barton prior to signing. mourinho had several players forced upon him during his second spell as manager - clear signings made by those above him. mourinho chose not to play them. see baba rahman. see djilobodji. see cuadrado. see salah. any manager with a fucking spine would not play those players who dont fit into their system, or who go against "what they believe in", instead of making a conscious effort to wedge the cunt into the team even when it was glaringly apparent that he was not suited to the system. If you are correct, and warburton didnt want him and the board signed him, then we should be chasing the manager right now for lacking the necessary leadership qualities to pick a team on merit in accordance with their beliefs / footballing philosophy. the notion that barton was secretly signed by dave king et al when he was seen cruising around the town with davie weir and then playing golf with miller and having dinner with mcparland and halliday, is quite frankly fucking daft. You want to explain why Warburton went against everything he believes in then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, OhW said: So find the article you fucking idiot. You are the biggest dick on here by a long way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,729 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, Sweetheart said: I don't believe MW did sign him. I believe DK chose him as a ome off gesture because he made a promise to sign a marquee player. He's now fulfilled his promise. I don't feel MW should be blamed for this signing as it goes against everything he needs or wants from a player. So it's your belief based on no substance. Despite quotes from MWs transfer man, evidence of the integrity MW has in leaving a job when he is unhappy with the recruitment strategy at a club, and based loosely on a pledge made by a glib and shameless liar. Given JB was played regularly, does DK also pick the team? KWBear and OhW 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hume 13,098 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, OhW said: So find the article you fucking idiot. Steady on mate, that's a bit harsh, the personal stuff just negates your point, we are all entitled to an opinion after all. Courtyard Bear, Sweetheart and Smile 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Big Al II said: In hindsight that appears to be the case. But then based on his previous 3 years, perhaps MW thought that was a risk worth taking. Life isn't black and white and hindsight doesn't really make you smart. Didn't work out...certainly would be pretty silly to use this as some sort of verification he didn't sanction the signing. As I said did or didn't sign him is opinion, the debate is why would Warburton go against everything he believes in. Was it simply dazzled by the big name or was it a panic buy when all of his first second and third targets weren't getting funded by the board. KWBear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Sportingintegritymyarse said: So it's your belief based on no substance. Despite quotes from MWs transfer man, evidence of the integrity MW has in leaving a job when he is unhappy with the recruitment strategy at a club, and based loosely on a pledge made by a glib and shameless liar. Given JB was played regularly, does DK also pick the team? Can you explain why MW would sign him? That's what we're debating I believe DK did as a one off to fulfill a promise Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, OhW said: Thanks mate. ?? fucking predictive text. wullyRFC and BLUEDIGNITY 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 53,729 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Why did he sign a player who had just had an excellent season in a league the manager knows well, who has a wealth of experience to aid a reasonably young midfield, who possesses leadership qualities and who should have been a standout midfielder in Scotland? Dunno. But do I think DK sanctioned it against MW wishes, with MW carrying on as normal, with MW then also playing this enforced player in every key game? Sure as hell no. And that is the reality of it if your beliefs have any foundation which they don't. jintybear and Bluepeter9 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just now, Sportingintegritymyarse said: Why did he sign a player who had just had an excellent season in a league the manager knows well, who has a wealth of experience to aid a reasonably young midfield, who possesses leadership qualities and who should have been a standout midfielder in Scotland? Dunno. But do I think DK sanctioned it against MW wishes, with MW carrying on as normal, with MW then also playing this enforced player in every key game? Sure as hell no. And that is the reality of it if your beliefs have any foundation which they don't. At the time MW was in the process of contract renewal. I believe this would have been when DK fulfilled his promise Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude 20,026 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 16 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: You are the biggest dick on here by a long way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythebest 11,453 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 30 minutes ago, The Dude said: Managers still have say in identifying targets etc but money stuff is often totally out of their control. When McCoist was getting hammered for players being over-paid the mere suggestion he didn't personally negotiate their deals was scoffed at. Christ, we are one of the few big clubs where the manager is still autonomous in terms of identifying transfer targets. Yeah but the manager will then be informed how much this player will take out of the budget and that's where there's a decision to make You're right about negotiations but Warburton will still have to assess how the budget should be spent on certain areas etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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