Big Al 55 9,275 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, loyalfollower said: 1st decent bid and I’d flog him. We lose so many goals in both full back positions which tells you we need upgrades. It’s no good going forward if you’ve not the engine to get back, you may aswell be a right winger. had a really good game but he’ll have about 8 games where hes rotten Who would you replace him with? How much of any fee do you think we'd be allowed to spend, maybe £500k to replace one of our most effective offensive players? Also it's not always the responsibility of a full back bombing forward to be back in position when opposing team counters quickly. Usually the midfield and sometimes the centre halves should be providing cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Big Al II said: Who would you replace him with? How much of any fee do you think we'd be allowed to spend, maybe £500k to replace one of our most effective offensive players? Also it's not always the responsibility of a full back bombing forward to be back in position when opposing team counters quickly. Usually the midfield and sometimes the centre halves should be providing cover. People don't seem to understand this on here but really that isn't Tavs problem his problem is letting people running off him and a concentration problem. Still a very good RB for us and we will not replace him with anyone better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz-96 41 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Siwel said: People don't seem to understand this on here but really that isn't Tavs problem his problem is letting people running off him and a concentration problem. Still a very good RB for us and we will not replace him with anyone better. Yeah I absolutely agree here. Think this is the reason why mccrorie at CDM works so well. If Tav bombs forward then Bates can cover as he has played RB before in his career with mccrorie dropping into the gap at CB. Similar story with DJ and Wilson as he played LB several times for hearts in the championship. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd 10,756 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Daz-96 said: Yeah I absolutely agree here. Think this is the reason why mccrorie at CDM works so well. If Tav bombs forward then Bates can cover as he has played RB before in his career with mccrorie dropping into the gap at CB. Similar story with DJ and Wilson as he played LB several times for hearts in the championship. Would also say Candeias helps because he’s much quicker than Tav and tracks back a lot Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1872 20,795 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I’d offer him a new contract! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHammer_WATP 332 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 4 hours ago, B1872 said: I’d offer him a new contract! Agreed. I don’t get the whole, we lose goals from full back positions excuse. For anybody who’s played football, especially at a decent leve, they’ll know it’s the CM/CDM/CB’s responsibility to be aware of what positions need covered during a counter attack, especially when our fullbacks are given permission to get forward and provide support during an attack. Besides, he’d be an absolute nutter to go and join Southampton anyway. They look like they could be going down this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennyBlueNose 652 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 44 minutes ago, TheHammer_WATP said: Agreed. I don’t get the whole, we lose goals from full back positions excuse. For anybody who’s played football, especially at a decent leve, they’ll know it’s the CM/CDM/CB’s responsibility to be aware of what positions need covered during a counter attack, especially when our fullbacks are given permission to get forward and provide support during an attack. Besides, he’d be an absolute nutter to go and join Southampton anyway. They look like they could be going down this season. I've missed this, are Southampton supposed to be after him? If so the lure of PL might be too much, just hope we make them pay Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryju84 3,170 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 When Tav has had a bad game it is usually when the team has. But he is an easy scapegoat. I dont remember a game where we said... that was a good performance but Tav alone was poor (just like we said about Niko there) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 32,534 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Tav's our best player. He's technically very good and a good athlete. He's also improved defensively. We almost certainly won't get the same calibre of player as a replacement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Persson 548 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Tav has real football and movement in him. Sorry if he goes and players like that just don't come along for the money we have available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss 267 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 41 minutes ago, DennyBlueNose said: I've missed this, are Southampton supposed to be after him? If so the lure of PL might be too much, just hope we make them pay Sunderland it should be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueshoff 11,874 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 He's no kieran tierney Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,371 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Absolutely fucking immense. His defending does give me the fear at times but when he plays to his best he's probably the best in this league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalfollower 1,543 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 hours ago, Big Al II said: Who would you replace him with? How much of any fee do you think we'd be allowed to spend, maybe £500k to replace one of our most effective offensive players? Also it's not always the responsibility of a full back bombing forward to be back in position when opposing team counters quickly. Usually the midfield and sometimes the centre halves should be providing cover. Tavernier never cost 500k to get in the 1st place so if that is the standard then he’ll be quite replaceable. dont get me wrong, at times he’s brilliant but there’s a lot more times where he’s extremely lax and if it’s true he’s not interested in staying then we should flog him. as for blaming cb or dm players for goals caused down the flanks that is just nonsense. All the good attacking full backs get back just as quickly as they get forward. If the opposition are able to break at speed then we need our defenders to get back as quick as they go forward. We never let celtic break quickly on Saturday but as we’ve seen before in numerous games the full back areas have been bad as many times as they’ve been good simply because they don’t always track back Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennyBlueNose 652 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Hoss said: Sunderland it should be. Thank fuck, Sunderland are shite Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 44 minutes ago, loyalfollower said: Tavernier never cost 500k to get in the 1st place so if that is the standard then he’ll be quite replaceable. dont get me wrong, at times he’s brilliant but there’s a lot more times where he’s extremely lax and if it’s true he’s not interested in staying then we should flog him. as for blaming cb or dm players for goals caused down the flanks that is just nonsense. All the good attacking full backs get back just as quickly as they get forward. If the opposition are able to break at speed then we need our defenders to get back as quick as they go forward. We never let celtic break quickly on Saturday but as we’ve seen before in numerous games the full back areas have been bad as many times as they’ve been good simply because they don’t always track back What are you wittering on about? Statistically James Tavernier is the most productive fullback in the league. This season he has been excellent for us, aside from a small dip in November. There is absolutely nobody I can think of who we could buy in January for £500k who would immediately come in and produce what he has been producing in terms of assists and all-round play. Our fans need to stop judging him based on last season's poor performances. He has developed as a player and kicked on. He is crucial to our team at this moment in time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
born a blue nose 90,855 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 minute ago, psb07158 said: What are you wittering on about? Statistically James Tavernier is the most productive fullback in the league. This season he has been excellent for us, aside from a small dip in November. There is absolutely nobody I can think of who we could buy in January for £500k who would immediately come in and produce what he has been producing in terms of assists and all-round play. Our fans need to stop judging him based on last season's poor performances. He has developed as a player and kicked on. He is crucial to our team at this moment in time. Well said mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 hours ago, Siwel said: Would also say Candeias helps because he’s much quicker than Tav and tracks back a lot not sure he is much quicker, but he certainly works hard to make sure Tav isnt left isolated Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersMedia 35,961 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, born a blue nose said: Well said mate. Banging my head against the wall at the number of our fans who want him gone. I don't trust this board at all anymore mate. They'd sell Tavernier and either bring in someone mega cheap (like I said in the transfer forum, someone like Cammy Kerr) or bring in nobody at all and force Murty to play Hodson. Our fans will notice when he's gone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cushynumber 25,178 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, psb07158 said: Banging my head against the wall at the number of our fans who want him gone. I don't trust this board at all anymore mate. They'd sell Tavernier and either bring in someone mega cheap (like I said in the transfer forum, someone like Cammy Kerr) or bring in nobody at all and force Murty to play Hodson. Our fans will notice when he's gone. couldn't agree more. I hope they dont see Candeias/Hodson as being on a par with candeias/Tav. Its not Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smell the hotdog 4,016 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Can’t get my head round anyone who wants him gone. Will be sorely missed once he eventually moves on. Especially if it’s Russell Martin we’re replacing him with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackAlex93 11,358 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 He will be a big loss to us if we lose him in the window. Provides so much going forward and defensively I think he has improved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Ham 2,060 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, loyalfollower said: Tavernier never cost 500k to get in the 1st place so if that is the standard then he’ll be quite replaceable. dont get me wrong, at times he’s brilliant but there’s a lot more times where he’s extremely lax and if it’s true he’s not interested in staying then we should flog him. as for blaming cb or dm players for goals caused down the flanks that is just nonsense. All the good attacking full backs get back just as quickly as they get forward. If the opposition are able to break at speed then we need our defenders to get back as quick as they go forward. We never let celtic break quickly on Saturday but as we’ve seen before in numerous games the full back areas have been bad as many times as they’ve been good simply because they don’t always track back Anyone that's played football at any level know that a good Dm should cover. Cbs should too. The idea is that as one fullback is attacking, the other should ve back and eceryone in the defence moves over one place to make a back three. If both are up the Dm should move back to make a back three. It's unrealistic to expect someone to sprint the length of a pitch for 90 mins. It's why teams like Barca, City and Chelsea struggle without decent Dms, even their top fullbacks cant do it for 90 mins. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,456 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 He'll be a big loss but ultimately we need to start turning over players, making healthy profits on guys who play well. It's shite that's the case but it's what we need to start doing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,110 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, DennyBlueNose said: Thank fuck, Sunderland are shite He'd probably sell a lot of dogs there though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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