The Morning After.....

[five stars 1,711]

34 minutes ago, Boybluesy said:

He should just have cleared his lines and then went mental at the players.  Simples.

It wasn't as if he needed to clear anything. He had plenty of time and full control of the ball. He could of played it long into space (and went mental at the players) or turned back and played it to the keeper.

[stevemac 5,033]

gutted obviously, but theres 3 more games to play against them. its a shite feeling but the international break has come at a good time. Rest, regroup, go out and pump livingston 

[Bakbear 3,586]

1 minute ago, five stars said:

It wasn't as if he needed to clear anything. He had plenty of time and full control of the ball. He could of played it long into space (and went mental at the players) or turned back and played it to the keeper.

I haven’t watched it back but from memory why was he out of position in the first place🤔

after the shite pass what was Jack doing to cover the situation, why did Katic try to step out instead of matching the run? 

It was a catalogue of bad decisions and errors. 

[Sket 13,610]

2 hours ago, Rfc52 said:

See if you've been outplayed and lost to quality you hold your hands up and take it. That was a disgusting gutless loss to a side who were average at best 

Agreed. The manner in which we handed them 3 points is fucking unforgivable. 

[Blumhoilann 6,712]

1 hour ago, Gaffbear said:

We were pish as were they.. stop tinkering and bring Ryan in and play players in their right role and well bounce back.

At our best we'll pish over the top of them this season but play like that again and we can kiss bye to anything again this season.

We made a shite team look decent.

Sums it up.

[five stars 1,711]

22 minutes ago, Tak3rNo1 said:

There was no need for him to do that yesterday though, that's the problem.

Exactly, we won the last game at Ibrox comfortably. In fact in could of been 4 or 5. 

Why change a winning formula?

Why play players out of position?

Why let them have all the time in the world to play out from the back?

Why play no one on the left side except a right footed full back?

I think we were trying to be smart with the tactics but it back fired spectacularly.

Worst tactical decision since Leveins Scotlands no forwards team.

 

[Prso's headband 35,784]

Over the result already tbh, probably because within a minute of kick off we had done a total 180 of how we played in the last OF game so we just handed them it there and then. 

What am not over is the most bizzare  tactics and personnel we employed in the game that I’ve ever seen in a very long time. That is more concerning than the result that Gerrard is over complicating certain games throughout the season and it’s costing us dearly. 

Stick to what we know, what had worked in 2 n a half games against them previously and what had worked for 12 games this season. 

[five stars 1,711]

9 minutes ago, Bakbear said:

I haven’t watched it back but from memory why was he out of position in the first place🤔

after the shite pass what was Jack doing to cover the situation, why did Katic try to step out instead of matching the run? 

It was a catalogue of bad decisions and errors. 

He wasn't out of position, he was just carrying the ball out from the back.

Tav was on the touchline but marked, Goldson tried to threat a ball to the already marked Tav through a very tight space.

It went straight to their player.

[Valance1690 3,942]

14 minutes ago, Bakbear said:

I haven’t watched it back but from memory why was he out of position in the first place🤔

after the shite pass what was Jack doing to cover the situation, why did Katic try to step out instead of matching the run? 

It was a catalogue of bad decisions and errors. 

Goldson tries to play out from the back and gets caught out, Katic tries to play offside and also gets caught. The rest of the players were too far forward to do anything about it.

If we're going to ask players to play out from the back then you'll get goal like that against you sometimes, just so happens it was yesterday that it happened but certainly wont be the last.

Not Goldsons biggest fan & he deserves some criticism for it but he had fuck all infront of him in terms of movement and didn't want to lump in 60 yards forward towards Defoe

[BlueThunder 8,454]

I’m gutted but it is recoverable.

However, we have replaced Candeias and Kent with inferior players and it showed (when Ojo and Jones actually played). It also looks like we won’t be getting in anyone else. That hurts more long-term than the result yesterday.

[kelvd1873 7,311]

2 hours ago, dee9 said:

it doesn't help that we now have a break however there is a very long way to go this season....alot of football to be played.

We were full of confidence last new year after beating them and going into a much needed break, we fucked it up! Hopefully this break does the same to them!!

[left winger 14,462]

1 hour ago, Smell the hotdog said:

Because if we can’t beat that team with Lennon in charge over 38 games we want to chuck it.

Only one team will stop us winning that league and it’s Rangers. We could do with more quality out wide and I would hope that will be addressed today. Whether it be Kent or someone else.

Much as it pains me to say it, he is a manager that has won leagues and he has a team that has won leagues. That experience makes a massive difference. 

I certainly expect us to challenge, but to expect to win the league is a bit of a stretch. 

[kelvd1873 7,311]

1 minute ago, left winger said:

Only one team will stop us winning that league and it’s Rangers.

Tbf mate that’s a great way to look at things and I totally agree 👏🏻

[SuperLeeMcCulloch 2,344]

2 hours ago, Boybluesy said:

Positives.  Progressed to group stages Europa. Still in League Cup. 4 points better off and hopefully..........lessons learned by Gerrard.  WATP.

Not reading any papers or listening to the BBC who will be creaming themselves. Haven't watched it back either,and won't.

We played East fife in the league cup, hardly something to write home about.

[KWBear 1,640]

3 hours ago, murzo said:

Fed up and annoyed as we beat ourselves . Set up wrong instead of going for them. Doesn’t help that it’s 2 weeks before we play again so left dwelling on that game.

I actually think it's a good thing. Gerrard referenced the two week break being a nightmare for the losing side as it would give them a lot of time to mull over their shortcomings - perhaps give him time to reflect and agonise over making an absolute fucking cunt of it, and won't try anything so fucking stupid ever again

also hopefully gives some of those losers that underperformed yesterday to wallow in their own misery after being made to look every bit a side patched together from free transfers and loans. hopefully they come back fighting and don't disappear into themselves like fucking shite bags after being made to look like cunts by total shit like brown and lava-face hayes. 

[SuperLeeMcCulloch 2,344]

43 minutes ago, Valance1690 said:

Goldson tries to play out from the back and gets caught out, Katic tries to play offside and also gets caught. The rest of the players were too far forward to do anything about it.

If we're going to ask players to play out from the back then you'll get goal like that against you sometimes, just so happens it was yesterday that it happened but certainly wont be the last.

Not Goldsons biggest fan & he deserves some criticism for it but he had fuck all infront of him in terms of movement and didn't want to lump in 60 yards forward towards Defoe

He had a chance to play it but instead held on to it for another 2 needless touches before eventually realeasing it and by that time the space was closed.

[Bakbear 3,586]

58 minutes ago, five stars said:

He wasn't out of position, he was just carrying the ball out from the back.

Tav was on the touchline but marked, Goldson tried to threat a ball to the already marked Tav through a very tight space.

It went straight to their player.

Ok had to look again 

See below picture. He is right over on the touch line and well up the park. I get playing out from the back but he is too far out of shape. 

[Bakbear 3,586]

Also watching it back, with Goldson caught out of position Jack is supposed to be dropping into cover and he gets caught in two minds wether to go to the ball as would be his instinct as a DM or track the runner as would be expected of a CH. he ends up doing neither and is taken out by the through ball. Katic tried to step out too late.

It was fucking sloppy by all concerned. 

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

1 hour ago, Valance1690 said:

Goldson tries to play out from the back and gets caught out, Katic tries to play offside and also gets caught. The rest of the players were too far forward to do anything about it.

If we're going to ask players to play out from the back then you'll get goal like that against you sometimes, just so happens it was yesterday that it happened but certainly wont be the last.

Not Goldsons biggest fan & he deserves some criticism for it but he had fuck all infront of him in terms of movement and didn't want to lump in 60 yards forward towards Defoe

Playing out from the back is one thing, but  you need to get the ball forward box to box in the quickest time with the fewest passes possible to hurt teams. Don't allow them to settle, press them high. Kill them with movement and high tempo.

We repeatedly over play in the number of passes and it's slow and ponderous in it, with our movement piss poor, so you are simply inviting trouble on to to you.  We then repeat same in the midfield with all the sideways and back passing. Rinse and repeat.

Then when all else fails, lump it up to the smallest strikers in the league. Makes sense right?! Yesterday I doubt Defoe and Alfie had five balls to feet between them. That is simply a horror show, reflecting we have ran out of ideas and that was there to be seen from the kick off, with their lump forward for a shy deep in our territory. They served notice and we had no response, other that to remain ponderous and predictable with no width, nor penetration.

It's happening every game and Gerrard is obviously not changing it. Therein lies the biggest fault.

Yellow fang is no Einstein. He sets up only the one way, yet we conspire to beat ourselves.

If that style of play is the Gerrard way and we are sticking with it, we win nothing.

 

[Valance1690 3,942]

33 minutes ago, SuperLeeMcCulloch said:

He had a chance to play it but instead held on to it for another 2 needless touches before eventually realeasing it and by that time the space was closed.

The needless touches I get but it was him looking for an option rather than launching it forward againa and again to Defoe, he needed somebody to come short for him and considering we had 5 CMs youd have thought somebody wouldve been free!

[Valance1690 3,942]

10 minutes ago, Blue Avenger said:

Playing out from the back is one thing, but  you need to get the ball forward box to box in the quickest time with the fewest passes possible to hurt teams. Don't allow them to settle, press them high. Kill them with movement and high tempo.

We repeatedly over play in the number of passes and it's slow and ponderous in it, with our movement piss poor, so you are simply inviting trouble on to to you.  We then repeat same in the midfield with all the sideways and back passing. Rinse and repeat.

Then when all else fails, lump it up to the smallest strikers in the league. Makes sense right?! Yesterday I doubt Defoe and Alfie had five balls to feet between them. That is simply a horror show, reflecting we have ran out of ideas and that was there to be seen from the kick off, with their lump forward for a shy deep in our territory. They served notice and we had no response, other that to remain ponderous and predictable with no width, nor penetration.

It's happening every game and Gerrard is obviously not changing it. Therein lies the biggest fault.

Yellow fang is no Einstein. He sets up only the one way, yet we conspire to beat ourselves.

If that style of play is the Gerrard way and we are sticking with it, we win nothing.

 

Completely agree with everything you're saying but that style of play is the way Gerrard wants to play and after trying something a bit different yesterday (more narrow) I think we'll go back to it again next game

Our problem is we've become very predictable, let us have the ball and sit back knowing you'll get at least 1 chance against us over the 90 minutes..even St Mirren got a chance and fluffed it

Yesterday was a sore one and the fact its deadline day means we have no time to change what we have, we need to go with it now and hope for the best tbh

 

[murzo 7,447]

52 minutes ago, KWBear said:

I actually think it's a good thing. Gerrard referenced the two week break being a nightmare for the losing side as it would give them a lot of time to mull over their shortcomings - perhaps give him time to reflect and agonise over making an absolute fucking cunt of it, and won't try anything so fucking stupid ever again

also hopefully gives some of those losers that underperformed yesterday to wallow in their own misery after being made to look every bit a side patched together from free transfers and loans. hopefully they come back fighting and don't disappear into themselves like fucking shite bags after being made to look like cunts by total shit like brown and lava-face hayes. 

Hope you’re right but I’m more of a glass half empty 

[five stars 1,711]

37 minutes ago, Bakbear said:

Ok had to look again 

See below picture. He is right over on the touch line and well up the park. I get playing out from the back but he is too far out of shape. 

He starts with the ball much deeper, it was a poor decision to even try the pass.

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

6 minutes ago, five stars said:

He starts with the ball much deeper, it was a poor decision to even try the pass.

Too many passes to players with a man on. That's lazy and poor decision making and reflects limited ability. In saying that, our movement needs to be better to lose markers and make angles to recieve the quick pass.

[Blue Avenger 22,567]

16 minutes ago, Valance1690 said:

Completely agree with everything you're saying but that style of play is the way Gerrard wants to play and after trying something a bit different yesterday (more narrow) I think we'll go back to it again next game

Our problem is we've become very predictable, let us have the ball and sit back knowing you'll get at least 1 chance against us over the 90 minutes..even St Mirren got a chance and fluffed it

Yesterday was a sore one and the fact its deadline day means we have no time to change what we have, we need to go with it now and hope for the best tbh

 

In the last 5/6 games of last season, we went more open with some slick attacking play. Don't know wtf happened since then.