NeoGeo7 11,285 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Rfc52 said: That'll never get an 11 1 vote Are you sure? They'll release the results before the vote even takes place, and if anyone says otherwise it will be an IT problem that changed the word from NO to YES, silly computers what are you like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 23,870 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, OceanRain said: The Herald (Matthew Lindsay) ------------‐--------------- Why the SPFL's voting farce risks tarnishing celtic's record-equalling Scottish title win forever ABANDONING the 2019/20 campaign, deciding final Ladbrokes Premiership placings on a points per game basis and crowning celtic champions will never, if it ever gets the green light, be accepted by everyone in the Scottish game regardless of the logic behind the proposal. Never mind that we are in the midst of the first global pandemic in a century, never mind that declaring the season null and void will have dire financial repercussions, never mind that playing the season to a finish when the shutdown is lifted will just prolong the pain and negatively impact on vital future revenue. For many fans in this country, it will simply be another example of institutional bias, of a corrupt system that favours the all-powerful Parkhead club, if it gets the go-ahead. Such is the nature of the sport here. Paranoia abounds. Yet, the treble treble winners - who were 13 points clear of their nearest challengers Rangers in the Premiership table when football was suspended last month due to the Covid-19 outbreak having won nine and drawn just one of their 10 league games in 2020 - and their supporters will be able to cope with the inevitable jibes about a tainted title. They are quite content that Neil Lennon’s team have once again been the most impressive and consistent performers in the top flight and deserve to win the Scottish title for a record-equalling ninth consecutive year. Sure, they could mathematically still be caught. But could Steven Gerrard’s side, who have lost to Hearts, Kilmarnock and Hamilton and been held to draws by Aberdeen and St Johnstone in the Premiership this year, really recover from their slump in form and overtake them? No sane supporter expected it. Alas, the cack-handed manner the vote into the resolution which was presented by the SPFL to their 42 member clubs last week – which called for the Championship, League 1 and League 2 to be curtailed now and the board to be given the power to do the same in the Premiership further down the line - has been handled now risks tarnishing their achievement. By making the votes cast before an unofficial deadline on Friday evening public without the final outcome being known and then entering into protracted negotiations with Dundee – the Championship club who have the decisive vote - the SPFL have irrevocably compromised the entire process and left themselves open to accusations of rigging the result. That the Dens Park club now know the power they hold is, irrespective of what actually happened to their mysterious missing email, nothing short of farcical. What sort of way is that to run a democratic ballot? It has lost any credibility. But even before that jaw-dropping decision to publish the votes so far the resolution was flawed. The take-it-or-leave-it nature of the proposal incensed clubs. They were adamant – even if SPFL chairman Murdoch MacLennan this weekend refuted this point – that loans could be advanced to them ahead of receiving their end-of-season prize money thus allowing them to debate the way ahead at greater length. They felt they were being held to ransom. Time is clearly a factor here. With no regular income from matches coming in clubs need funds urgently in order to stay afloat. That will have been foremost in the minds of both the board and executive. Still, the lack of meaningful dialogue disturbed many. Not least Ann Budge of Hearts. “This is not, in my view, how you honour the principle that it is up to the members to decide how to ensure the fairest approach is taken,” she said. “To dismiss all but one option and present only this option for a members’ vote, within a very limited timescale, must surely raise the question of whether the board is attempting to unduly influence the members decision making process.” In addition, a commitment to consult with clubs over possible league reconstruction ahead of the 2020/21 campaign didn’t go nearly far enough. It still meant that chairmen, chief executives and managing directors, if they backed the plan, were harshly consigning Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer to relegation during a devastating economic downturn. It would have made far more sense to present a definite solution. Even if it was just a stop-gap measure for a season. A switch to a 14-10-10-10 set-up was the best option in the circumstances. That will ensure no club drops down a division, Dundee United, Inverness Caledonian Thistle, Raith Rovers, Falkirk, Cove Rangers and Edinburgh City will all be promoted and the Highland League and Lowland League winners move into the bottom tier. Reaching a compromise which means that no club suffers unnecessarily would be, in these extraordinary times, quite a feat. So why wasn’t that possibility laid out more clearly? It would have made agreeing to the resolution far less painful and actually rather positive. Of course, reconstruction will require a different vote at a later date. It will take an 11-1 majority for it to get cleared. By all accounts, Premiership clubs will lose out financially if their ranks swell next term. Recent events have hardly filled onlookers with hope. Second paragraph: ”null and void will have dire financial repercussions...” How? This shite is trotted out every day and, apart from a rebate to BT Sport for games not shown, how will null and void cost more than declaring now? Still need to pay for games not played, right? Zero difference. Liewell said this in an early comment and every journo has taken it as gospel. It’s a lie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM Monitor And Standards Officer 112,884 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Just now, NeoGeo7 said: Are you sure? They'll release the results before the vote even takes place, and if anyone says otherwise it will be an IT problem that changed the word from NO to YES, silly computers what are you like? Hearts have already said that reconstruction and in the short time. Frame won't happen. The clubs won't dilute their earnings any further by admitting more teams in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 34,086 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, NeoGeo7 said: The thing is if you lie then there is a chance you fuck up and contradict yourself and I think that's what we'll see here. This is why it started as "We didn't get the vote" then it became clear that this could easily be disproved so it changed to "We got it later on that evening, it was blocked by firewall", ok so if you got it then count it as a valid vote , then we get "Ah well, Mr Nelms said to disregard the vote" SPFL should be removed from their offices and access to their network, laptops, PCs etc. until an independent investigation can be conducted. They simply cannot be trusted. Whole lot of them not fit for purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannerall 25,935 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 League reconstruction is quite simply being used as a cover, and smokescreen for the initial fuck up. It wasn't high on the agenda a few weeks ago. The SPFL will try and run any reconstruction through now as an all new squeakily clean product, try and ignore the real issues, and present it as being in everyone's real interest. I know it's tempting for posters on here to highlight league reconstruction , even coming up with their own proposals, but basically we'd all do well to just continue calling out the current (and historical) corruption and probable illegality for what it is and concentrating on the shady deals that have been the 2nd biggest issue in the running of Scottish football since the beginning of the 21st century. The biggest issue of course being the child abuse allegations which have also still not been properly or competently investigated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 11,285 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Rfc52 said: Hearts have already said that reconstruction and in the short time. Frame won't happen. The clubs won't dilute their earnings any further by admitting more teams in the league Was a tongue in cheek comment about the SPFL's record at holding a vote that isn't corrupt. Joking aside, obviously clubs aren't going to vote for it who are at the upper end. Those at the bottom end might as it means a better chance of survival. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redemption80 173 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 A fairer proposal would be league incomplete and prize money distributed evenly among all teams. The only problem is with no champion declared that means no champions league next season. So if the rest of Europe declare a champion and we don't, does that mean Scottish football sits out European football next year? Reconstruction will also fail unless they change the rules regarding how many teams it needs for it to pass and/or the prizemoney is increased (very unlikely) as who is going to vote to split their share with more clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, MaddistonKnight said: I was gonna say. One team without a game every eighth game day! And a super bowl at the end of it . Fucking farce . Every time these scumbags fuck up , the lower clubs seize their opportunity to create this same mess . It's a recurring theme every few years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amato 3,099 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Redemption80 said: A fairer proposal would be league incomplete and prize money distributed evenly among all teams. The only problem is with no champion declared that means no champions league next season. So if the rest of Europe declare a champion and we don't, does that mean Scottish football sits out European football next year? You'd need to use this season's European entrants since the season will be void. There might not be European football next season anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 23,870 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Redemption80 said: A fairer proposal would be league incomplete and prize money distributed evenly among all teams. The only problem is with no champion declared that means no champions league next season. So if the rest of Europe declare a champion and we don't, does that mean Scottish football sits out European football next year? We work on the placings that currently stand so scum into CL, us into EL etc. Scum remain on eight titles, going for their NIAR. It is effectively the same as null and void but “incomplete” seems less toxic to some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer93 15,484 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 5 hours ago, born a blue nose said: An internal investigation is hilarious. no cunts, it’s an external investigation we want. Off yees fuck. That's like Jack the Ripper looking into Bible John's dealings 😂😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 11,285 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Amato said: You'd need to use this season's European entrants since the season will be void. There might not be European football next season anyway. That was my thinking too, I think its too early to just assume it will take place but if it did I think UEFA would have to have a say on how the individual leagues determine what they do with declaring the season as over or trying to complete it since it will determine who would be put forward for european places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 23,870 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, NeoGeo7 said: That was my thinking too, I think its too early to just assume it will take place but if it did I think UEFA would have to have a say on how the individual leagues determine what they do with declaring the season as over or trying to complete it since it will determine who would be put forward for european places. If there is European football next season, there won’t be group games for a start. Straight knock out although heavily seeded. Think we’ve played 17 games in Europe and we’re not at quarter finals yet. No chance of that structure next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 11,285 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Colin Traive said: If there is European football next season, there won’t be group games for a start. Straight knock out although heavily seeded. Think we’ve played 17 games in Europe and we’re not at quarter finals yet. No chance of that structure next season. Something has to change because the games start too early for it to be a realistic possibility. The trouble is there is still so much uncertainty around the virus therefore can UEFA make decisions now (that will be large scale changes) that will still be possible/valid in a few months time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 It's all getting really farcical and totally missing the point that smaller clubs need their money now. I can't see why the smaller clubs can't release a statement today saying they were of the opinion that funds could not be released unless the SPFL proposal was successful and having found that to be untrue they wish to have their money advanced now. The smaller clubs have more power than Dundee to end money issues today, everything else can be debated later. Question is will they have the courage to ask for what's theirs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 87,363 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I don't see how football will be back next year with crowds at games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redemption80 173 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Colin Traive said: We work on the placings that currently stand so scum into CL, us into EL etc. Scum remain on eight titles, going for their NIAR. It is effectively the same as null and void but “incomplete” seems less toxic to some. I agree it has to be incomplete rather than void, but can only see the Europe side of things working if everyone does the same. True that Europe might not be likely, i'm not even sure there will be much if any "normal" football this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Robot 21,513 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, NeoGeo7 said: First point - Do you believe this is actually Dundee's idea? They are just the mouthpiece here to detract from the SPFL's fuck up and Lawell still calling the shots. Second Point - Our premiership is a fucking mickey mouse league anyway with the fucking daft split with teams finishing in 7th and 8th having more points than the teams in 6th and 5th potentially. We should have 2 leagues: 20 team top division and 22 team second division. 3 go down and 3 go up (do a play-off like English Championship if they want to). It simplifies the structure and removes the pointless Petrofac/Irn-Bru Challenge cup and it reduces the monotony of playing the sheep 7 times in a season. The reconstruction is now just a leverage tool due to the vote going against their plan and yes it was the invisible fenian hand at work. I don’t see how a 20 team top league has 4 matches against the nonces as it’s these games which the tv companies want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,932 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 SPFL Shady Pape Fucking Liars. Whats yours? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moody Blue Legend 63,424 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 It's all starting to get a bit off track now. Reconstruction? Geez piece man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannerall 25,935 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 SPFL Sent Pdf Farcically Lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetheart 8,458 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bad Robot said: The reconstruction is now just a leverage tool due to the vote going against their plan and yes it was the invisible fenian hand at work. I don’t see how a 20 team top league has 4 matches against the nonces as it’s these games which the tv companies want. Agreed. I just wish the smaller clubs would wake up and realise they have ALL the power here. I hope they find their courage to speak up and ask for their money now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the cry was no 3,072 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, esquire8 said: Nope. And shouldn't even be getting discussed with Dundee. Absolutely nothing should be getting discussed with Dundee period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 23,870 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 SPFL Dirty Fenian Surrender Monkeys Sorry, not very good at this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoGeo7 11,285 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Moody Blue Legend said: It's all starting to get a bit off track now. Reconstruction? Geez piece man. It's a great diversionary tactic, now people are talking about what the structure could be just glossing over the fact that any structure changes need to be discussed with the relevant parties (not SPFL select committee and Dundee), agreed and then 2 years notice period......or are SPFL just going to bend the rules so that they can pass the resolution and give the title to the scum. All the while clubs are suffering, so why not dish out the money now, call as null and void and 2020/21 starts as 2019/20 started Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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