Europa Money.

[Jimfanciesthedude 24,748]

8 minutes ago, MVRanger said:

So...unless I'm missing something (very possible admittedly!), this seasons £25 million haul only leaves us £5 million short of the mythical £30 million Chsmpions League bounty figure so regukarly quoted. So much for the "£30 million blown" narrative following Malmo ...and for next season no matter what happens in relation to CL qualification.

Well aye you are, the CL money is that even if you are rodgered in all 6 games and pumped put of Europe before xmas, 

We needed to make the semis of the EL for that money, money that was needed last summer to change the squad for the better

Plus im sure the CL bounty is actually around 40mill give or take 

[sausagetrunks 6,084]

we can add the Patterson and gerrard money to this. was it 7 million for Gerrard and his backroom staff? Patterson 12.5 raising to 16? 

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, sausagetrunks said:

we can add the Patterson and gerrard money to this. was it 7 million for Gerrard and his backroom staff? Patterson 12.5 raising to 16? 

That's been keeping the lights on in place of director loans.

[MVRanger 2,692]

13 minutes ago, Jimbeamjunior said:

Well aye you are, the CL money is that even if you are rodgered in all 6 games and pumped put of Europe before xmas, 

We needed to make the semis of the EL for that money, money that was needed last summer to change the squad for the better

Plus im sure the CL bounty is actually around 40mill give or take 

I get the timing aspect  - i.e. you can count on the money early doors and plan transfers accordingly. However the nett financial differental at the end of the season is not of gaping Grand Canyon proportions.

[The Dude 20,026]

Just now, MVRanger said:

I get the timing aspect  - i.e. you can count on the money early doors and plan transfers accordingly. However the nett financial differental at the end of the season is not of gaping Grand Canyon proportions.

It does when you take the EL money to include every penny made by the club and ignore the substantial costs that club has to bear while only counting the CL money to include UEFA payments.

We've made c11m in uefa payments from the EL this season and will get another couple million in TV money.

We'd get the best part of 35-40m solely in UEFA payments just for qualifying for the CL.

[the cry was no 3,035]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

It does when you take the EL money to include every penny made by the club and ignore the substantial costs that club has to bear while only counting the CL money to include UEFA payments.

We've made c11m in uefa payments from the EL this season and will get another couple million in TV money.

We'd get the best part of 35-40m solely in UEFA payments just for qualifying for the CL.

We'd get 15.25m euros for qualifying

Our 10 year coefficient payment would be the third lowest this season giving 3 x 1.137m = 3.411m euros

TV market pool would be 10% of the English pot giving around 6.8m euros

Total of around 25.5m euros - around £21.5m if we get beaten 6 times

2.8m per win and 930k per draw in the games

Home gates would add a further £7m or so

£35 to 40m figure from UEFA alone would require finishing second in a CL group

[King Jela 20,544]

2 hours ago, the cry was no said:

We'd get 15.25m euros for qualifying

Our 10 year coefficient payment would be the third lowest this season giving 3 x 1.137m = 3.411m euros

TV market pool would be 10% of the English pot giving around 6.8m euros

Total of around 25.5m euros - around £21.5m if we get beaten 6 times

2.8m per win and 930k per draw in the games

Home gates would add a further £7m or so

£35 to 40m figure from UEFA alone would require finishing second in a CL group

Yup. Doesn't quite add up when you do the math. Guaranteed £40 million jackpot drums up the title race though. 

[King Jela 20,544]

Although we budget for the Europa League last 32, unless I'm mistaken? 

So any money made after the round of 32 will be profit, might actually be the last 16 we budget for because of previous seasons which would probably give us less. 

[Malkytfp1 18,674]

2 hours ago, the cry was no said:

We'd get 15.25m euros for qualifying

Our 10 year coefficient payment would be the third lowest this season giving 3 x 1.137m = 3.411m euros

TV market pool would be 10% of the English pot giving around 6.8m euros

Total of around 25.5m euros - around £21.5m if we get beaten 6 times

2.8m per win and 930k per draw in the games

Home gates would add a further £7m or so

£35 to 40m figure from UEFA alone would require finishing second in a CL group

This sounds like the most informed post on here. I like it 

[6superbarry6 14,213]

29 minutes ago, King Jela said:

Although we budget for the Europa League last 32, unless I'm mistaken? 

So any money made after the round of 32 will be profit, might actually be the last 16 we budget for because of previous seasons which would probably give us less. 

Not a chance we budget for getting out of EL groups ffs, that would be madness

[King Jela 20,544]

35 minutes ago, 6superbarry6 said:

Not a chance we budget for getting out of EL groups ffs, that would be madness

It doesn't sound right. It was probably the group stage of the Europa and I've got it completely wrong. 

Either way with Europe, Patterson money and Gerrard comp we've raked in 40 odd million which absolutely is champions league money. 

Should mean we have a budget in the summer before player sale, hooefully anyway. 

[The Dude 20,026]

13 hours ago, the cry was no said:

We'd get 15.25m euros for qualifying

Our 10 year coefficient payment would be the third lowest this season giving 3 x 1.137m = 3.411m euros

TV market pool would be 10% of the English pot giving around 6.8m euros

Total of around 25.5m euros - around £21.5m if we get beaten 6 times

2.8m per win and 930k per draw in the games

Home gates would add a further £7m or so

£35 to 40m figure from UEFA alone would require finishing second in a CL group

Celtic's last market pool payment in the CL group stages (four years ago) was 16.1m Euros. They also got 12.7m just for qualifying. That's 30m Euros without adding coefficient bonus, performance bonus etc.

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/57/82/51/2578251_DOWNLOAD.pdf

[magic8ball 27,901]

14 minutes ago, The Dude said:

celtic's last market pool payment in the CL group stages (four years ago) was 16.1m Euros. They also got 12.7m just for qualifying. That's 30m Euros without adding coefficient bonus, performance bonus etc.

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/57/82/51/2578251_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Has it not been raised a bit since then .

[The Dude 20,026]

1 minute ago, magic8ball said:

Has it not been raised a bit since then .

Yeah, quite a bit iirc.

[Roy Hobbs 2,227]

27 minutes ago, The Dude said:

celtic's last market pool payment in the CL group stages (four years ago) was 16.1m Euros. They also got 12.7m just for qualifying. That's 30m Euros without adding coefficient bonus, performance bonus etc.

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/57/82/51/2578251_DOWNLOAD.pdf

We would likely make far less than celtic due to our 10 year coefficient ranking being impacted by no European football for 5 of those years. In reality 6, given we had Pedro for 1 of them.

Atalanta finished second a couple of years ago and made €40m, €16m of which was due to performing well enough to qualify.

Plus if both teams get to the group stages, the TV share is diluted.

https://www.danielgeey.com/post/how-champions-league-clubs-make-their-money/#:~:text=15% of the Champions League,in the previous domestic season.

 

[Rangers_no1 32,810]

Why do people try to downplay the correct figure?

Its around 35-40m without winning a match or including ticket sales.

Scum made 32.5m in 18/19 and the figures have increased since then. The market pool was 50% of that figure.

[The Dude 20,026]

2 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said:

s around £35-40m without winning a match or including ticket s

Pages 32+ on here https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/025a-0f8430656913-10ccbab24e1d-1000/2018_19_uefa_financial_report.pdf

CL:

Europa League:

[magic8ball 27,901]

58 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Yeah, quite a bit iirc.

Seem to remember money going up .And a few alterations to the qualification format to reduce the noise from a breakaway group .Didn’t really work though did it 😂

[the cry was no 3,035]

30 minutes ago, The Dude said:

celtic's last market pool payment in the CL group stages (four years ago) was 16.1m Euros. They also got 12.7m just for qualifying. That's 30m Euros without adding coefficient bonus, performance bonus etc.

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/57/82/51/2578251_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Distribution method has changed since then 

There's now a huge pot for 10 year coefficient rankings and the TV market pool is much reduced (300.3 euros in total)

English teams take the largest share (about 23%) If a Scottish team qualifies they get 10% of the English pool (if both get to groups this is split 55% to champions and 45% to runners up)

Based on this season the tarriers would have been 8th lowest and us 3rd lowest on the coefficient rankings. You get 1.137m x 8 for them (9.096m) or x 3 for us (3.411) They would have got 5.6m euro (£4.7m) more than us based on coefficient payments and that would be similar if both qualify next season 

If they qualify alone next year they'd get 15.25 participation + 9.096 coefficient (this could move up or down by a couple of places depending on who else qualifies) + 6.8 tv = 31m euros (£26m) - only winning enough points to qualify from the group would reach the figures your suggesting

If we both qualify and then won no games (a possibility) they'd get 3.1m less due to splitting tv and we'd get 3.7m less (this assumes they win the league and we qualify via qualifiers and they get 55% to our 45%) 

Their 31m euros would be about 28.3m (£23.8m) and our 25.5m would be 22.4m euros (£18.8m) - just under £43m between us plus any game cash we can win

No Scottish club will be anywhere near the mythical £40m unless they get out of the CL group top 2 or finish 3rd and drop to the EL and go on a good run o at least the QF

From UEFA website......

Share for 32 clubs participating in the UEFA Champions League

forecast amounts (The net revenue will be divided into four different pillars)100%€2002m

1 starting fees 25% €500.5m

2 performance-related fixed amounts 30% €600.6m

3 ten-year performance-based coefficient rankings 30% €600.6m

4 variable amounts (market pool) 15% €300.3m

[the cry was no 3,035]

1 hour ago, Rangers_no1 said:

Why do people try to downplay the correct figure?

Its around 35-40m without winning a match or including ticket sales.

Scum made 32.5m in 18/19 and the figures have increased since then. The market pool was 50% of that figure.

It's changed mate

[the cry was no 3,035]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Pages 32+ on here https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/025a-0f8430656913-10ccbab24e1d-1000/2018_19_uefa_financial_report.pdf

CL:

Europa League:

Dude, you'll notice that the co-efficient payments are in this and not in your previous chart form 17/18

Note that the 4 English teams shared 68.7m market pool (Scotland gets 10% of this if we have a qualifier)

Look at AEK who were bottom ranked on the coefficients - Participation 14.5m (now 15.25) Coefficient 1 x 1.08m (now 1.137m) TV market pool 2.6m - no points in group - Total 18.2m euros (£15.3m)

[Albertz85 948]

Anyone have an updated list of teams we play in champ league qualifiers (if we need them). Aware we are confirmed non seeded if so

[The Godfather 72,387]

Show us the moneyyyyyyy

[Vision 16,746]

2 minutes ago, The Godfather said:

Show us the moneyyyyyyy

[WWTC 2,247]

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