Ruddie 1 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 This whole situation stinks of agents badly advising their players. That's a cop-out. These agents don't rule them. They are both adults, they are both capable of making up thier minds. Ultimately, they make the decision, not an agent. If they want to go, let them. Tell them from Ruddie not to let the door hit them on the arse on the way out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezrfc1 26 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 i will be annoyed to let these two go for nothing or pennies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordo7 147 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 This whole situation stinks of agents badly advising their players. That's a cop-out. These agents don't rule them. They are both adults, they are both capable of making up thier minds. Ultimately, they make the decision, not an agent. If they want to go, let them. Tell them from Ruddie not to let the door hit them on the arse on the way out. It's not a cop out mate. Maybe the word "badly" wasn't the right word to use, but the agent will tell his player, that even if he wants to stay at Rangers, he will be able to get him a better deal that's what's on offer. That's what they get paid for. It's all part of the negotiation process IMO. I do however agree that players can make up their own minds, and in the end, they may do, but for now, the agent will try and get as good a deal for his player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,924 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Withdraw the offer of the deal then bang the pair of them on the list, silly boys with maybe 30 games between them with ambition way outstripping ability, the agents are probably telling them teams will be tripping over themselves to sign them, call their bluff and put it to the test. Lets see who comes a knocking, every EPL club will have plenty Wilsons and Flecks around the place unable to break into the first team squad, will they want more?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fonics7 1 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 i will be annoyed to let these two go for nothing or pennies What's new ? Hutton and Ferguson are the only two players we have developed in recent times, to have been sold for good money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gid 46 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 They won't leave for nothing. Because they're under 21 even if they sign for another club we will still be entitled to a fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab 73 Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 The official site even running with the story: Rangers could lose both Danny Wilson and John Fleck to English football after manager Walter Smith revealed the pair turned down new contracts. The 18-year-olds, who both have 18 months left on their current deals, were offered lucrative new contracts but have been advised by their agents to turn those offers down and look to further their careers down south. Wilson has only just burst into the top team set up making his debut at Dundee two months ago in the Co-operative Insurance Cup and has subsequently played in all competitions for Rangers. He is once more deputising for Madjid Bougherra, who is on duty at the African Cup of Nations. Fleck, who has been in the squad for over two years now, has had a stop-start season and most of his appearances have come from the bench. His last start was at Aberdeen on November 28. Smith had hoped the two players would want to continue to learn their trade with Rangers. He said: "It's disappointing that they've turned down new contracts but that's the world we live in at the moment. "Could things change on that front? It certainly doesn't look like it. The disappointing aspect is that contractual aspects for 18-year-olds have been placed before careers. "I've not had any conversations with the players' agents to find out their reasons for turning down the deals. But it's quite straight forward. They've turned it down so they must see an opportunity elsewhere which would probably need to be down in England, I would imagine'' http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/article...2254024_1934270 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulboy 2,518 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 They r both 18 but are being silly wee boys Hutton should have a word with them to tell them the grass is not always greener on the other side have to agree bung them on the transfer list now and see who comes calling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 69 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Fuck both of them thinking they are billy big times. 2 overrated players who seem to believe all the hype over them. If they were to move away, theyd both fail miserably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricksen_da_best 2,034 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Any Rangers supporting 18 year old in Scotland would sign for Rangers for pennies. Me? id pay to play for Rangers every week. But these 2, get a few runs of games and think they can blag us for more money. Someone needs to stick it into their heads, if their going to use Rangers as a stepping stone to a bigger club you actually have to prove your worth before you try getting yourself a new club already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 We should agree to let them go an put a £3 or £4 million value on each; there will be no takers and it is 12 months before they can negotiate deals with other clubs and who knows what will happen in the next year for club and players. Not true, players can negotiate deals with other clubs anytime during their current contract as long as they see out their current contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 69 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 There both shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelle1880 225 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I fear this has to do with 2 young players getting a taste of first team football and thus thinking they've made it and are able to ask what they want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnerwickBlue 16 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Wilson has genuine potential but Fleck is useless. He's so cocky its unreal. Never liked him ever since he told Mccoist to fuck off. Hopefully Ally gets to say the same to him sometime soon. He can GTF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracle 7,831 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Both should have been given 5 year deals on their 17th birthdays but there's no point crying over spilled milk. They both have 18 months to run on their contracts; a full year before they are allowed to discuss contracts with other clubs. Let them prove themselves worthy of a better deal at Rangers in the mean time and if they don't shape up, move them on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson 2 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Except one of them isnt an 18year old Rangers supporter.... Unfortunately they are too young to realise what they have got, someone has dangled promises of riches ahead in the EPL and they appear to have bitten hook line and sinker. See you at Hibs in 5 years guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper1989 0 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Players don't have to go where their agent tells them to go. Wilson/Fleck should start thinking for themselves and not have agents run their lives. If they don't want to play for The Rangers, then they can GTF. Seriously. watch them rot down south and they will be playing for St. Mirren in a few years. And what the fuck has Fleck done to bring on such an arrogant attitude? Wilson has tons more potential than him... but still Danny... very disappointed in you. After Magic comes back, Wilson, back to the reserves... See if you change your tune. Really pissed off with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCartmanLee 313 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 The mlost ironic thing is they would get more game time at ibrox now than they would ever have gotten in recent history. They are 18ffs and both far from the finished article. What premiership team would have either in there starting line up right now ? Big mistake but i am sure Rangers will survive if they move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob1969 1,473 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I'm better at my job than the people I work with but my employers show no appreciation of that, in fact it means next to nothing to them. A footballer needs to do what is best for their short careers. If we can't compete then that is the way of it. No use taking Dundee united players and Hibs players then complaining when the same is done to us. All we can do is trust our management team to be fair and responsible, can't ask more than that. When you see us wasting money on schect like Rothen, When I see Kyle Havin-a-Lafferty, I'd be asking myself how much am I valued? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracle 7,831 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 From what I've heard on the grapevine Fleck's dad has been threatening Smith to tout him to The Big Four for two seasons now unless Fleck gets more starts. Obviously Smith doesn't rate him and who can blame him on the strength of the performances we have seen? Smith seemingly won't put up with the same sort of nonsense from Wilson either; talent doesn't seem to be an issue in this case, commitment is. We're talking about a manager who transfer listed The Goalie... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 We should agree to let them go an put a £3 or £4 million value on each; there will be no takers and it is 12 months before they can negotiate deals with other clubs and who knows what will happen in the next year for club and players. Not true, players can negotiate deals with other clubs anytime during their current contract as long as they see out their current contract. They can't sign a precontract to move on a free until they are in the last 6 months of their contract. Not true, urban myth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colly1873 15 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 i think the limelight has went to their heads!!!! wilson everyone know how could he could become but if he think he can better himself down in the english 1st or 2nd or even EPL reserves team then he really needs to get himself a new agent he is young but he could become a rangers legend if he sticks with us. as for fleck he had alot of hype thrust upon him from a young age before he had even made a apperence for rangers everyone was sayin how good this kid is.. he has been given a few chances in the team but tbh he aint really steped up to the plate. If both players do want to stay at rangers maybe a loan spell for one or both of them would make them relise what playing for rangers means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone 7,678 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Both should have been given 5 year deals on their 17th birthdays but there's no point crying over spilled milk. They both have 18 months to run on their contracts; a full year before they are allowed to discuss contracts with other clubs. Let them prove themselves worthy of a better deal at Rangers in the mean time and if they don't shape up, move them on. Dangerous game, what if you give someone a 5 year contract and they bomb after a year? Not as easy as that, we can all be good generals after the war Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miracle 7,831 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Both should have been given 5 year deals on their 17th birthdays but there's no point crying over spilled milk. They both have 18 months to run on their contracts; a full year before they are allowed to discuss contracts with other clubs. Let them prove themselves worthy of a better deal at Rangers in the mean time and if they don't shape up, move them on. Dangerous game, what if you give someone a 5 year contract and they bomb after a year? Not as easy as that, we can all be good generals after the war Granted, but if we are to follow this business model of developing youth a la Ajax etc we need to look at this. Both Fleck and Wilson were making enough waves to be offered pro deals prior to their 17th birthdays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam2102 578 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 somebody before mentioned liam miller. i totally agree. does anyone remember walter saying he wasnt playing fleck to try to keep his feet on the ground (about a year back). clearly his attitude/warped determination is getting ahead of him at the same time as wilson is beginning to believe his own hype. i cant help but think these 2 will go to mediocre EPL clubs and 2 years down the line be playing in a low end championship team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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