WishartsAshes 1,137 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I don't think it will ever happen. However, our recent history has blown away the financial argument against such a move. The consensus is that English clubs won't let us in because they will lose out financially. The last few years have shown that clubs are financially better off with Rangers in their league even if Rangers are taking away the prize money. Lower league clubs were better off with Rangers present even with Rangers taking prize money from them. And Premier League clubs were worse off with Rangers absent even though, theoretically, they all moved up one place in terms of prize money. In short, English clubs might actually be better off with Rangers in the league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam English Loyal 945 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Football league and Premier league are two different entities. If the Football League invited us in and we gained promotion up through the divisions, the PL couldn't refuse to let us in. Reading between the lines I'd say they're actually thinking about it. They would have to bring in 8 clubs. From where? The top six from the Conference (national league) and the top two from the Welsh league? That'll be a real money spinner (sarcasm). Why not 2 from the National league and six from Scotland? I honestly think this might happen. Whether or not we should do it is a separate thing. Personally I'd jump at the chance. What loyalty did the SFA show us in our hour of need? What help did they offer? None. They stuck the knife in just like the SFL, SPL and their members did. Most of us would've jumped at the chance 4 years ago, so why not in a couple of years time? Yes it mean lower league football again but this time it would be a lot more interesting. That's without mentioning the money aspect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Hurlock Loyal 12,133 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 1 hour ago, AllyMcCoist said: If Sky want it to happen it will happen simple as that But to be honest I'm more than happy with where we are In 3 years time it might not be SKY, YouTube, BT, Netflix etc will all have the revenue to take on a bid. Things might change with a new monopoly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPapac05 3,383 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 2 hours ago, cumnockbear said: Scottish game would be dead if it did. Pish!!! Scotland doesn't need to the Old Firm - quoted by the deluded fans of the other Scottish clubs. Don't think I could be arsed sitting through another journey. I want us back to playing regular European football and those days will be long gone if we're back down in a lower league. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don logan 8,237 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I think there is mileage in this. Our board would bite their hand off for one of the places, even if it meant at least four years in the lower divisions. But first the FL need 90% of members to vote for this and that is an extreme tall order. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.G 10,773 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Sky are actively trying to make football the least of their big earners so they don't have all their eggs in one basket and from what I gather they are doing a decent job Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 45,278 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Only chance of the Old Firm moving south is no chance. Clubs in the top 2 leagues would always vote against it since it's less money and opportunities for them. We really should just stop it ourselves. Gets embarrassing when you consistently want to it happen but never does. Focus on our Scottish league to try and make it better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_Ibrox_Preacher 2,812 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZed 4,558 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said: Unless TV/growth demands a British league it won't happen. Why would England share anything of value/opportunity with this country - they never have. As it stands most of this country watches English football, consumes the advertised products and has their clubs shirts on the washing line - they are quite happy to punt us their product, they have no need to cut our teams in on the action and spark a revival in Scottish football. Non-starter and we shouldn't even talk about it as it's delusionally desperate. I think it could be a roundabout way of talking about bring in a British league. Where is the money in the lower leagues in England? Add in the Jocks and you have something different to sell. Could season 20-21 be about where you finish in the Scottish Premiership decides what league you are in, in England? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbear 104 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 3 hours ago, TopCat said: I can't see this happening any time soon unless SKY push for the OF to join the English league - then it could become a real possibility. As always - money talks. This..............next round of contracts with SKY and BT Sport, if they want it ,it will happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy 1,308 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Yes, please. We'll never advance in this goldfish bowl. The CL is much harder to win now. The downside is we can forget about regular trophies. If the welsh clubs got in, why not the Old Firm? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 87,376 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 3 hours ago, cumnockbear said: Scottish game would be dead if it did. Pretty sure it's already dead Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cumnockbear 2,446 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: Pretty sure it's already dead That's where you're wrong, we're back now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 No idea if we will ever move, but it's refreshing to see a league looking at the big picture for all its members instead of the backstabbing each for their own farce we have up here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Sams 1,950 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 This will never happen. But a joint English/Scottish Cup competition of some kind could be very interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 87,376 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Inspector Sands said: This will never happen. But a joint English/Scottish Cup competition of some kind could be very interesting. That would be ideal Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, .Williamson. said: That would be ideal Have you never heard of the Anglo-Scottish Cup? It was tried before and failed. As to the English Leagues, we would probably take about ten years to be in a position to challenge for any trophy so not for me, even if UEFA sanctioned it, which they won't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Sams 1,950 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Corky True Legend said: Have you never heard of the Anglo-Scottish Cup? It was tried before and failed. As to the English Leagues, we would probably take about ten years to be in a position to challenge for any trophy so not for me, even if UEFA sanctioned it, which they won't. That had no prestige or history, and you’re right, it failed. I was thinking more radically of putting big well-established English and Scottish cups up for joint competition. Winner takes both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky True Legend 2,682 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Inspector Sands said: That had no prestige or history, and you’re right, it failed. I was thinking more radically of putting big well-established English and Scottish cups up for joint competition. Winner takes both. It may have had no prestige but both we and the mhanks competed in it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamFyfe 1,438 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'd of went for it a few years ago when their was talk of us buying some club going bust English football is where we want to be if we want to win European cups I would say Get into the EPL, find a rich owner, sign quality players Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoopsLaud 4,186 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Seems a bit too complicated with all the UEFA and champions league implications. Reckon FIFA will kybosh this before it gets started. Non starter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Rollestonbear said: Talk about rehashing old news.We are a Scottish club.We will never be allowed into the English league.Whole debate is frankly quite pointless. People debating football matters on a football forum, fukking ridiculous if you ask me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 37 minutes ago, WilliamFyfe said: I'd of went for it a few years ago when their was talk of us buying some club going bust English football is where we want to be if we want to win European cups I would say Get into the EPL, find a rich owner, sign quality players You sound like everything that is wrong with modern football. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeWilson 4,670 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 2 hours ago, THE_Ibrox_Preacher said: Unless TV/growth demands a British league it won't happen. Why would England share anything of value/opportunity with this country - they never have. As it stands most of this country watches English football, consumes the advertised products and has their clubs shirts on the washing line - they are quite happy to punt us their product, they have no need to cut our teams in on the action and spark a revival in Scottish football. Non-starter and we shouldn't even talk about it as it's delusionally desperate. BOOM. The Preacher has just served the coffee. Now, servile daydream believers, breathe in that robust aroma and wake the fuck up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigrfcc 265 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Shuggy said: Yes, please. We'll never advance in this goldfish bowl. The CL is much harder to win now. The downside is we can forget about regular trophies. If the welsh clubs got in, why not the Old Firm? Wales didn't set up a league until years after Cardiff, Swansea & Wrexham were playing within the English system. That's the only reason they are in it today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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