Police Scotland confirm received report into historic child abuse within football

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1 minute ago, Kaiser Wull said:

I'll not answer the question about Stein and Torbett, as I don't want to give other people ideas, if you get my drift...

I believe that most of the people you've named worked for celtic. If so, the connection is already made. 

 

Was reading about the cleaners catching John Cullen taking photos of the kids at celtic Park and hundreds of photos were found. Another link as well.

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4 minutes ago, Howsitgoing said:

COX

The Supreme Court case of Cox expanded the application of the first limb of the test. In this case the claimant, Mrs Cox, was employed by HM Prison Swansea. In her role, she supervised both civilian staff and prisoners working in the kitchen. Whilst at work, Mrs Cox suffered an injury when a prisoner dropped a sack of rice on her back. Mrs Cox subsequently brought a claim against the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).

The Supreme Court held that the relationship between the MoJ and the prisoner was sufficiently close to satisfy stage one of the test for vicarious liability. Whilst not strictly an employer-employee relationship due to the prisoner status of the tortfeasor, the court was willing to hold that vicarious liability can also be established in “employment-like” relationships. Crucially, the court gave weight to the fact that harm was done by an individual who carried on activities as an integral part of the business activities of the MoJ (and for its benefit) and that the risk of the wrongful act occurring was created by the MoJ in assigning responsibility for those activities to the wrongdoer20.

 

 

That's one of the cases. There are other, even more recent cases that also continue to expand the scope of vicarious liability. I have no doubt that the claimant's lawyers will be well aware of these.

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14 minutes ago, B1872 said:

Should Rangers release a statement asking for a full inquiry similar to the one the scum released about investigating us?

Just think it’s time to put our foot on these bastards throats!

Great idea. 

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10 minutes ago, B1872 said:

Is there not 5 all in? McCafferty, Torbett, Cairney, Cullen and the celtic view guy? Maybe I’m getting mixed up as there’s that many tbh! I’ll find the list of them as I read it on Twitter. ??

Jim Torbett, Neil Strachan,John Cullen,Jim McCafferty done already.

Frank Cairney, Gerald King to go ,McCafferty on further charges .... maybe others.

Cullen was the celtic view guy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3505864.stm

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5 minutes ago, B1872 said:

One question that keeps being asked on here, Twitter and FF is if there were no connection between the scum and Torbett how could Large John sack Torbett?

I think there are mountains of proof connecting Torbett, Cairney, celtic view photographer and McCafferty to celtic fc. You only need to look at the court case in the 90’s.

Reading the vanguard bears article the thing I can’t understand is both Brady and Macari saying they were approached by youth team players saying they had been abused, but how would these boys have access to the celtic manager if the boys club was fuck all to do with celtic and surely in any case brought to court they could be called up to explain this and also what action they took and if they answered none then does this not leave celtic guilty.

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Just now, hawkeye said:

Jim Torbett, Neil Strachan,John Cullen,Jim McCafferty done already.

Cairney and King to go ,maybe others.

Cullen was the celtic view guy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3505864.stm

Cheers mate 

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16 minutes ago, B1872 said:

Should Rangers release a statement asking for a full inquiry similar to the one the scum released about investigating us?

Just think it’s time to put our foot on these bastards throats!

No. lets keep our powder dry for now. We dont want to draw attention away from the ones under the spotlight. Spiers is already trying to do that. If we release a statement, we will become the story in some quarters.

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Was just wondering if this is why Liewell was so vociferous in going after us the past couple of years. Maybe he hoped to fuck us as much as possible because he knew their house of cards was starting to wobble.

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1 minute ago, Dickie said:

Reading the vanguard bears article the thing I can’t understand is both Brady and Macari saying they were approached by youth team players saying they had been abused, but how would these boys have access to the celtic manager if the boys club was fuck all to do with celtic and surely in any case brought to court they could be called up to explain this and also what action they took and if they answered none then does this not leave celtic guilty.

Any decent lawyer would destroy the ‘separate entity’ denial as there’s mountains of evidence. But as stated the ‘separate entity’ won’t even matter.

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PETER LAWWELL’S LETTER TO SFA CHIEF EXECUTIVE STEWART REGAN IN FULL

Dear Stewart,

You will already be well aware of the BBC Scotland programme broadcast on Wednesday 23rd May relating to various events at Rangers, and other media coverage in a similar vein.

The situation at Rangers has clearly attracted a huge level of exposure and comment over a number of months, none of it favourable.

The SFA has already conducted one inquiry, with a subsequent Judicial Panel Hearing and Appeal.

The SPL is attempting to investigate issues associated with the Rangers EBT, although I gather is still trying to obtain all the relevant information.

Wednesday evening’s programme and other media articles have now placed the affairs of Rangers in relation to payments to players under even greater scrutiny.

The BBC and others now appear to have access to detailed documentary evidence to support the statements made.

If the allegations of “double-contracts” for players are true, and a breach of SFA and/or SPL rules is established, the eligibility of those players to have competed in domestic league and cup competitions will be called into question, in turn, the integrity of the football results achieved by using those players would by necessity also fall into question.

Any wrongdoing then established would have to be subject to fair and proportionate sanctions, including retrospectively, if appropriate.

However, at a higher level, in our opinion this whole affair is causing lasting damage to the reputation and integrity of Scottish football.

We have, to date, supported both the SFA and the SPL in their efforts to deal with the situation.

We appreciate fully that this has not been an easy task for either body. But the interests of fairness and Scottish football now demand that the SFA act decisively.

The initial inquiry should now be reconvened, or a new independent panel led by a judge or senior lawyer should be formed, to investigate and report upon the Rangers EBT issues and consider whether there has been any further breach of the Association’s rules, including those on disrepute.

The roles of individuals (past and present) subject to the jurisdiction of the Association should also be examined.

This should take place as quickly as possible, irrespective of the SPL’s own investigations.

I look forward to hearing from you with confirmation of the SFA’s intentions.

A copy of this letter is being sent to the Chairman of the SPL [Ralph Topping], the Chief Executive of the SFL [David Longmuir] and to Uefa [Gianni Infantino] as these issues may be relevant in the context of Uefa Financial Fair Play, the eligibility of players participating in competitions organised by these bodies, and the wider responsibilities of these organisations to protect the integrity of the game.

Yours sincerely,

Peter Lawwell.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^

Let's never forget what these cunts wanted in 2012, and the lengths they went to get it.

Fuck point scoring. Demand the club go after them in a similar vein.

Get emails and letters into our Board demanding action.

"To protect the integrity of the game".

Do it Bears.

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FOLLOWING the conviction of Mr James Torbett at Glasgow Sheriff Court, celtic Football Club wishes to express our deep regret that we've been rumbled that we all knew the incidents took place and can barely virtue signal enough sympathy for the victims who suffered abuse. We are grateful, although totally gutted, for the courage of those who have come forward, the fucking grasses, to report abuse and to give evidence after such a long period of time when they are supposed to have forgotten. We have no great respect for them and their families, and will offer them a few bob to keep quiet as they continue to cope with the distressing effects of the abuse they suffered,that we knew about.

Allegations regarding abuse at celtic Boys’ Club first emerged in the 1990s, and we did nothing. Although we're trying to make out that celtic Football Club is an entirely separate organisation, we haven't always taken these allegations extremely seriously because of our historic contacts, poor choice of words, sorry, with celtic Boys’ Club. All investigations by the police and other inquiries weren't given our full support but we managed to keep the cover up going the best we could. We discouraged as many individuals involved as possible to report all information to the police so that matters couldn't be investigated fully. celtic Football Club continues to discourage any victim of abuse at celtic to report these crimes to the police.

After the allegations became known, when that Judas Macari wrote his book, and the turncoat Brazil wept in public, in the 1990s and we did nothing, celtic Football Club took insignificant steps to develop a new code of conduct and procedures to protect young people. Since then, celtic Football Club has pretended to be at the leading edge of putting welfare and safeguarding protections in place for our young people. We were the first club in Scotland to appoint a safeguarding officer, developing policies for the protection of young people and monitoring and reviewing our procedures to ensure they continue to reflect best practice so check us out being all holier than thou.

The abuse of children is an issue affecting many areas of society, including a large number of football clubs,(mainly Sevco) sports clubs, (Sevco) youth organisations, educational institutions such as Catholic schools and religious bodies, primarily the Catholic Church across Britain and more particualrly Ireland . celtic Football Club now strongly believes, although it's too little too late, that children and young people involved in football have the right to protection from all forms of harm and abuse and is therefore reluctantly committed to ensuring this and to promoting their wellbeing through continued cooperation with our children and young people, parents and carers and the relevant authorities.  

 

This is how I read it.

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Disgusting Statement with nobody's interest in mind apart from their own , hope someone with legal knowledge rips that to hell 

 

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6 minutes ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Let's never forget what these cunts wanted in 2012, and the lengths they went to get it.

Fuck point scoring. Demand the club go after them in a similar vein.

Get emails and letters into our Board demanding action.

"To protect the integrity of the game".

Do it Bears.

‘Nailed to the floor’ was the term the fat jap used I believe!

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Nothing to do with them ,yet they roll their manager out to add flames to the fire imo 

 

celtic manager Brendan Rodgers said he was unable to elaborate on the club's statement.

But speaking ahead of Thursday's Europa League match against RB Leipzig, Rodgers expressed "empathy and sympathy" for the victims of such crimes.

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54 minutes ago, B1872 said:

A boy posted on FF that it doesn’t matter if they are a separate entity or not. I’ll see if I can find it but it’s all about the surrounding and the care they were in when it happened.

are they part of the rule the SFA has conveniently removed .

this removes any potential punishments from the football authorities .

this process of removing the rule .reasons for removal and why it would benefit football .the people who removed it and when it was removed .

I'm sure it's only been removed in recent times .probably a day or 2 after the Barry bennel allegations came out

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Scums statement of  regret is much like Torbett’s defence

Never Happened 

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First emerged in the 90s ? I was sure Torbett was thrown out in the 70s by Big Jock for sex abuse of boys. Not sure how they can say the 90s with a straight face ffs.  

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2 minutes ago, BRITNEY IS NOT FEELING IT said:

Nothing to do with them ,yet they roll their manager out to add flames to the fire imo 

 

celtic manager Brendan Rodgers said he was unable to elaborate on the club's statement.

But speaking ahead of Thursday's Europa League match against RB Leipzig, Rodgers expressed "empathy and sympathy" for the victims of such crimes.

empathy mean he can associate with the victims 

must have taking a boaby at some point 

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11 minutes ago, B1872 said:

‘Nailed to the floor’ was the term the fat jap used I believe!

I heard that was John Reids boast at an awards do / supporters function rather than Peter lawell. Regardless of who said it, the hierarchy at that club all wanted and worked towards it. 

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25 minutes ago, cushynumber said:

No. lets keep our powder dry for now. We dont want to draw attention away from the ones under the spotlight. Spiers is already trying to do that. If we release a statement, we will become the story in some quarters.

Our club should be writing to the SFA cc'ing UEFA demanding independent enquiry and retrospective action, in a similar vein to Lawwells letter of 2012.

We as a fan base should be demanding this of our Board.

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This is from the BBC Scotland web page at the end of the celtic statement, how do celtic think they can change a name in August this year and no one is going to ask the question why so near to the Torbett trial:

 

celtic Boys Club has been rebranded as St Patrick's Sports Academy, BBC Scotland has learned.

The team's name, logo and green and white hooped shirts were changed in August.

The academy did not respond to a request for a comment about the timing and reason behind the move.

Its teams now play in a different style of green and white strip, featuring a new crest which states the club was established in 2018.

The academy runs its own official social media accounts but the under-18s team still maintains a separate Facebook page.

Earlier posts on the account show that results from last season were listed under "celtic BC", and details in the "about" section still reference celtic Boys Club.

The academy, which is based in Motherwell, North Lanarkshire, has 10 youth teams.

It also runs a Soccer School, aimed at three to five year olds, as well as walking, running and cycling groups.

The boys club no longer has an official presence on social media and its main Facebook and Twitter accounts have been deleted.

 

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13 minutes ago, ritchieshearercaldow said:

Scums statement of  regret is much like Torbett’s defence

Never Happened 

Nothing about how Kelly went to the first trail took to the witness stand and stood by Torbett, he said he was a great man and would never do such a thing, that cunt was the celtic chairman and Glasgow lord provost in the 90's,  this old cunt along with McGinn and the Whytes should also be in the dock along with that vile organisation who thought it would be alright to cover up all those years ago.

Nail us to the wall ya wee jap eye bastard, was that not your words? Well we are gonna make sure this is like a nucleur bomb dropped on that midden you call a stadium as questions now need answered and the fact you are still denying the club knew anything before wee McCann took over is just an insult to all the victims as you are still trying to cover it up prior to McCann taking over.  

Scotlands real shame banners required against the filth next game at Ibrox

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Bbc just confirmed that celtic ask the boys club to change there name earlier this year.

Its weird because if anyone that wasn't connected to Rangers was using our clubs name without permission we'd sue.

The dam is about to burst get on high ground troops.