Walsh/Sinnamon/Roberts all leave.

[Orange Persson 548]

Youth development is there for the benefit of the game as a whole. There is only a slim chance that you are going to get a gem here and there, but you have to do it to support football at grass roots level up. It is also how contacts, goodwill and business trading is built with other clubs too. 

[docspiderman 1,234]

5 hours ago, sassaaaa said:

Always looked a crackin player anytime i seen him. A better manager would have got the best out of him.

Run of the mill player who lost his place in the team at the foot of the championship.

[JCDBigBear 10,830]

I can't say I know anything about two of them but I did think young Walsh looked a prospect.    I see some people are saying he didn't do much when out on loan but I would counter that when I say I thought he looked better than some of our own players when he appeared for us.  What does that say about our squad?

[Heshootshescores 1,905]

Hopefully we have stopped the practice of giving ex players a job in youth development just for the sake of finding a way to give them a wage. Its one of the most important jobs at the club. 

[TMB 14,167]

I'm not surprised Tom Walsh is off.  Lad looked poor when he did get a chance.  I remember watching him play wide right and he was always looking down when crossing it in.  The ball wasn't even close to a striker each time he put it in.  Nowhere near good enough I'm afraid.  Best of luck to him at his next club.

[ForeverAndEver 71,677]

Walsh looked better in the small game time he had, albeit Championship, than O'Halloran did.

[WGOH 2,344]

5 hours ago, coopsleftboot said:

Aye these 15 year olds brought in last year should be 21 and read by now. 

Not sure what you mean, but im talking about players like Mekhi McLeod, who was here for 6 months, got no where near the first team and was released ?

[LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510]

Can't believe we've just released the best right back of all time. 

[One Jock Wallace 858]

Not seen anything on here so apologies if it's in another thread but saw on Facebook that we're loaning out MOH which is another strange one if true 

[Blueshoff 11,883]

11 hours ago, Blue Avenger said:

If they can't push for a slot with our first team, they just can't be up to much.

Was going to say exactly this.

But pushing and being considered don't always go hand in hand 

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

8 hours ago, WGOH said:

Not sure what you mean, but im talking about players like Mekhi McLeod, who was here for 6 months, got no where near the first team and was released ?

Maybe he was shite?

I'm not sure if you're serious with that, but what you wrote emphasises the point...you don't bring a young player into the development squad and expect to develop them into first-teamers in 6 months.  If you expect that then they're already old/good enough to be in the first team, pending refinements.

Development is a long term project, and if you want to do it properly the younger the better.  Any player over the age of, say 17 and older that's been at Auchenhowie for 3-4 years or more can't really be marked down as one of Warburtons youth projects.  Even those that are older have been brought in have been identified as having potential and worth the effort of working on. Some will be worth it, some wont, and it may become obvious quite quickly.  Perhaps that was the issue with young Mekhi, or perhaps he just couldn't settle or couldn't hack it.  

Point is, if you're expecting players to come out of the currently re-energised youth academy within the next couple of years then you don't understand youth development and your heading for a disappointment.  There may be the odd gem coming through in that time, but they'll be a result of previous youth development and only refined by the current programme.

[WGOH 2,344]

2 minutes ago, coopsleftboot said:

Maybe he was shite?

I'm not sure if you're serious with that, but what you wrote emphasises the point...you don't bring a young player into the development squad and expect to develop them into first-teamers in 6 months.  If you expect that then they're already old/good enough to be in the first team, pending refinements.

Development is a long term project, and if you want to do it properly the younger the better.  Any player over the age of, say 17 and older that's been at Auchenhowie for 3-4 years or more can't really be marked down as one of Warburtons youth projects.  Even those that are older have been brought in have been identified as having potential and worth the effort of working on. Some will be worth it, some wont, and it may become obvious quite quickly.  Perhaps that was the issue with young Mekhi, or perhaps he just couldn't settle or couldn't hack it.  

Point is, if you're expecting players to come out of the currently re-energised youth academy within the next couple of years then you don't understand youth development and your heading for a disappointment.  There may be the odd gem coming through in that time, but they'll be a result of previous youth development and only refined by the current programme.

Fair enough, but I'm saying there hasn't been any improvement in the youth team set up and there is not much difference between Warburton'a era and any other previous manager, yet this was his gospel when he got the job. 

Hes the one who's brought in players like McLeod, Lang etc and they haven't been good enough, which is the point I'm making

[loyalfollower 1,543]

Shame for Walsh. He showed flashes but then at times did nothing.  

But at any team worldwide it's hard for young guys from the academy to make the step up to first team.  My opinion is that if a player shows he can't adapt to different positions in the forward areas then they'll be released. 

[Super1872 468]

58 minutes ago, WGOH said:

Fair enough, but I'm saying there hasn't been any improvement in the youth team set up and there is not much difference between Warburton'a era and any other previous manager, yet this was his gospel when he got the job. 

Hes the one who's brought in players like McLeod, Lang etc and they haven't been good enough, which is the point I'm making

I'm not sure you can really judge the difference in the youth set up under warburton after a season  and a bit, especially when the youth set up has undergone big changes, it's going to take time. 

[Gaz52 11,837]

5 hours ago, One Jock Wallace said:

Not seen anything on here so apologies if it's in another thread but saw on Facebook that we're loaning out MOH which is another strange one if true 

The only strange thing is we're not just selling him. He clearly doesn't want to be here, we don't really want him, sell him back to St J for a cut-price and clear the browsing history on that one

[Gaz52 11,837]

These players were of the "old regime" if you will. Our current youth academy have brought in a lot of youngsters since taking over, Atakayi is one that excites me, it would be good if Elfideldo could give us a scout report on him. Didn't we sign a young English striker who had scored a ridiculous amount of goals down south? I think he was 16 when we signed him?

We've also got Billy Gilmour coming through, the McCrorie brothers, Liam Kelly to name a few of the talented youngsters we have in our ranks. And then there's obviously ones who will be solid players but just aren't making the limelight just yet

It's not all doom and gloom, it's a significant improvement on what we had under McCoist anyway

 

EDIT: Thompson and Hardie as well who I think will both see first team football next season

[james_85 656]

When we first went down to Div 3 was the time to let them youngsters come up through the ranks and let them develop, I think that was a missed opportunity to see how good these players could have been as by the time we progressed into the premier league they would have all had over 100 appearances which is good going for 21/22 year olds.

What I do find interesting is that when Warburton has come in he has more or less cleared the youth set up from what was there, which raises the point of were the players not good enough in the first place or was it because we brought in players like Black, Daly etc that their progress restricted 

I am sure that I seen for the U20 team who played the other night the average age was 17. So it looks like we will be waiting for another few years before we start seeing the benefit of going back to square 1 and starting again. What we dont need tho is Warburton leaving in 2/3 years and then the next manager thinks that they need to start again. 

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

2 minutes ago, james_85 said:

When we first went down to Div 3 was the time to let them youngsters come up through the ranks and let them develop, I think that was a missed opportunity to see how good these players could have been as by the time we progressed into the premier league they would have all had over 100 appearances which is good going for 21/22 year olds.

What I do find interesting is that when Warburton has come in he has more or less cleared the youth set up from what was there, which raises the point of were the players not good enough in the first place or was it because we brought in players like Black, Daly etc that their progress restricted 

I am sure that I seen for the U20 team who played the other night the average age was 17. So it looks like we will be waiting for another few years before we start seeing the benefit of going back to square 1 and starting again. What we dont need tho is Warburton leaving in 2/3 years and then the next manager thinks that they need to start again. 

You assume that the players of the time would have got us through the leagues.  I'm not so sure.  Of the crop that were around then who's done anything?  Barrie McKay and Lewis McLeod that's about it.  Most have drifted off to lower league clubs or worse.  Robbie Crawford is now at East Kilbride and he was one of the big hopes.

Personally, I was of the opinion we had to make sure we got back up in the shortest possible time and signing players to do that was the way to go.

Anyway that's all water under the bridge, and from what I see and hear, at last, we're developing a youth system that might just work.

 

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

1 hour ago, WGOH said:

Fair enough, but I'm saying there hasn't been any improvement in the youth team set up and there is not much difference between Warburton'a era and any other previous manager, yet this was his gospel when he got the job. 

Hes the one who's brought in players like McLeod, Lang etc and they haven't been good enough, which is the point I'm making

You still seem to be of the impression that development of young players into first teamers takes a few months...

We also brought in (for immediate first team development) Dodoo, Crooks, Windass, Rossiter and Thompson.  With the exception of Thompson (who's just signed a contract extension) the others have all been in and around the first team.  Burt also, but he was already here.  And there's others bubbling under too.  Sure there's going to be failures, that's the nature of the game and not new.

[SuperPapac05 3,383]

Shame about Walsh, he looked quite good in that abysmal McCall team. 

[sammy cox 664]

If Auchenhowie as it's now called had of been used correctly and for the purpose it was built then when MW came in as manager there should have been at least a handful of players ready to make the step up to the first team squad. Not saying they would have been greats but good enough.Unfortunately from the day it was opened it has been used as nothing more than a glorified training ground.The lack of talent is solely down to neglect by previous managers and that includes Walter and Ally along with McCleish.

[Young Bob 1,360]

Young players have always been released like this so its nothing new and I dont think it will change much in years to come. If you found one player every few years that made the first team or you got a reasonable fee for then you would be doing well

[Brian Fantana 28,894]

more cost cutting.

Expect Auchenhowies Youth Development to close in the next 3 years at this rate.

[coopsleftboot 5,512]

4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

more cost cutting.

Expect Auchenhowies Youth Development to close in the next 3 years at this rate.

Not sure why you'd view it a cost cutting?

[cushynumber 25,178]

11 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

more cost cutting.

Expect Auchenhowies Youth Development to close in the next 3 years at this rate.

I would have said more getting rid of dead wood.