Smile 26,610 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I have honestly no worries about Defoe coming good he's a quality player and will show that once fit and gets to know his teammates better. MurrayWilson and Blue Avenger 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackAlex93 11,370 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Give the boy a chance hes just in the door fuck sake man MurrayWilson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlueSuedeSambas 53,917 Posted January 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2019 No team should be rigidly tied to one formation. A successful team can adapt to different circumstances and occasions. I don’t have an issue with us trying a different formation, I just thought the Kilmarnock game was bad timing and the wrong game to do it. MurrayWilson, jjbscotty12, Leeds_Bear and 4 others 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanoli 4,625 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 22 minutes ago, DBBTB said: No team should be rigidly tied to one formation. A successful team can adapt to different circumstances and occasions. I didn’t have an issue with us trying a different formation at Kilmarnock, I just thought it was bad timing and the wrong game to do it. This. I think we’ll go 433 on Saturday purely because of player form at the moment, but i’ve every confidence we would torture the likes of St Mirren with the team that started against Killie. We were excellent until Worral’s meltdown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtyard Bear 41,357 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 You need to find a way to play both Mo & Defoe in the same team or find a formation when Mo can’t play to suit Defoe Defoe on his own in a 4-3-3 just isn’t his game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,599 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, DBBTB said: No team should be rigidly tied to one formation. A successful team can adapt to different circumstances and occasions. I don’t have an issue with us trying a different formation, I just thought the Kilmarnock game was bad timing and the wrong game to do it. I’d hope that pre season in the summer he starts to work on tactical flexibility. This seasons been all about building attitude, culture and the type of system he likes to play. Chucking in the ability to mix up different formations can be too much, even if you are playing with a similar system in terms of tempo, passing style, defensive line etc. We are heading in the right direction thoug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogzy 31,195 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Not sure that's the case. He has barely played in a while, it's going to take him some gametime to get up to speed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McEwan's Lager 30,599 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: You need to find a way to play both Mo & Defoe in the same team or find a formation when Mo can’t play to suit Defoe Defoe on his own in a 4-3-3 just isn’t his game. I think Defoe with Arfield behind him in a 4-4-1-1 would work against celtic away where you are relying on quick counter attacks and getting the ball to the striker in only 2 or three passes. But there’s only going to be a couple of instances of the need for a change like that in a season. Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,852 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said: You need to find a way to play both Mo & Defoe in the same team or find a formation when Mo can’t play to suit Defoe Defoe on his own in a 4-3-3 just isn’t his game. Agreed that 4-3-3 isn't his formation and he's going to struggle in it. Morelos doesn't play well with a strike partner and that's exactly what Defoe needs. Signing Davis made sense in that we needed a bit of creativity and hoped he'd bring that but think the Defoe signing was just a big name that we jumped at, he doesn't fit in with our formation at all and it would be ridiculous changing our entire shape to fit in a 36 year old isnt match fit & who is only here on loan, even in the games where Morelos isnt playing Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Valance1690 said: Agreed that 4-3-3 isn't his formation and he's going to struggle in it. Morelos doesn't play well with a strike partner and that's exactly what Defoe needs. Signing Davis made sense in that we needed a bit of creativity and hoped he'd bring that but think the Defoe signing was just a big name that we jumped at, he doesn't fit in with our formation at all and it would be ridiculous changing our entire shape to fit in a 36 year old isnt match fit & who is only here on loan, even in the games where Morelos isnt playing For me, with Defoe, its either him or Morelos paired with someone else or Morelos just up on his own which we have done but we do not score enough from that system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,695 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Smile said: So we play a whole team around one player and sacrifice results then as that's what we are doing currently.? When he's as good as morelos we play to his strengths. We should absolutely build the team round him. graeme_4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, KingKirk said: When he's as good as morelos we play to his strengths. We should absolutely build the team round him. He doesn't score enough goals to build a team around not as a striker, if he was more prolific I'd agree but he always goes spells without scoring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,614 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Gman36 said: If you've watched a number of games you'll note morelos has picked up an above average number of red cards. He's been sent off once this season domestically,hardly Vinnie Jones Courtyard Bear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,456 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: He's been sent off once this season domestically,hardly Vinnie Jones As I said mate, if you watched some of our games you'd have seen him sent off twice against Aberdeen in the league. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44995765 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46367204 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,614 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Gman36 said: As I said mate, if you watched some of our games you'd have seen him sent off twice against Aberdeen in the league. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44995765 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46367204 One was rescinded, but let's just ignore facts eh... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,111 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 28 minutes ago, Smile said: He doesn't score enough goals to build a team around not as a striker, if he was more prolific I'd agree but he always goes spells without scoring. He's got 21 goals already this season and it's only the end of Jan. He scores plenty. He had that horrible run of form last season but this season he's on fire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,695 Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, Smile said: He doesn't score enough goals to build a team around not as a striker, if he was more prolific I'd agree but he always goes spells without scoring. OK mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman36 3,456 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 32 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: One was rescinded, but let's just ignore facts eh... Right but he was sent off twice though wasn't he? And three times in half a season. And quite a few yellows where he could easily have picked up another one. He's had an issue with discipline, petty incidents etc. He's not a dirty player. He was getting picked on by refs too, no question. Was ridiculous like he was getting made out to be some kind of nutter type player, either like a Vinnie Jones or edmundo or something. Since the Aberdeen game he's toned it down a fair bit too. Could just have been an age thing and he's now matured a bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Bear 8,111 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gman36 said: He's had an issue with discipline, petty incidents etc. He's not a dirty player. He was getting picked on by refs too, no question. Was ridiculous like he was getting made out to be some kind of nutter type player, either like a Vinnie Jones or edmundo or something. Well said on this part mate. I think what pisses me off the most is he's treated/spoken on a level playing field with other players of a similar ilk. Even among our own support. Until there is balance to the argument it's almost pointless debating with anyone because the media set such a one sided rhetoric when talking about Morelos. Brown, Bowman, Shinnie, MacKinnon at Hamilton are all 'as bad' but get away with either the behaviour itself or the spotlight on their discipline record - because they're Scottish and that's oor style! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 570 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 18 hours ago, Leeds_Bear said: I don’t think I’ve ever seen a support overreact as much as ours. Kent was shite (I also said this!) Coullibaly was a world beater who needs signing up. Arfields shite etc. We need to be giving players more time than this! Arfield has been terrible though. Coullibaly hasn't been the same since he picked up his injury . Defoe will score goals imo . SG needs to keep Kent out wide that's where he is at his best not this tip of a diamond pish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,614 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 36 minutes ago, Orangeclement said: Arfield has been terrible though. Coullibaly hasn't been the same since he picked up his injury . Defoe will score goals imo . SG needs to keep Kent out wide that's where he is at his best not this tip of a diamond pish. Far from it. Blumhoilann 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 570 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: Far from it. He has, every 2nd touch is a tackle in all the games he has played I could probably say he has played well 3 times imo. I want him to do well and hope it's just a settling in period . I expect to see an upturn in form soon from him because he is the only real option to play behind Freddo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeIsBlue 66,614 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Orangeclement said: He has, every 2nd touch is a tackle in all the games he has played I could probably say he has played well 3 times imo. I want him to do well and hope it's just a settling in period . I expect to see an upturn in form soon from him because he is the only real option to play behind Freddo. We all know this isn't true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valance1690 3,852 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Smile said: For me, with Defoe, its either him or Morelos paired with someone else or Morelos just up on his own which we have done but we do not score enough from that system. Morelos on his own is our strongest in my opinion because that's what gets the best out of him I know what you're saying about not scoring enough but against 6/7 teams in the league it really doesn't matter what formation we play, we're camped in their half for the full game regardless. To beat those teams, we need better players, players who can create chances against packed defences & unfortunately we still dont have that quality midfielder who can split a team apart Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangeclement 570 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, BridgeIsBlue said: We all know this isn't true. There is no we mate . So far just you have questioned this . Therefore.... You think it's not true . Which is fair enough it's your opinion . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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