eejay the dj 31,964 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I only wonder what brought Rangers to silence and the way they are behaving now 🤔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
esquire8 43,208 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, eejay the dj said: I only wonder what brought Rangers to silence and the way they are behaving now 🤔 Accepting that their chances of success were slim to none when clubs voted against them. The board made a big dent into how the SPFL operates but still unable to crack it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GersInCanada 7,775 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I still think that Hearts have the stronger case. Kicked out of the league as a consequence of a rigged vote (I would pay to watch that challenge in court), financial damage etc. Our case was more governance issues and perhaps more tenuous. Just a guess on my part as I am not a lawyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,072 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BlueKnight87 said: Reconstruction was never on the cards. It's the same everytime the subject is brought up. Budge can either take this to the courts or accept hearts in the championship. Only one way to pass a resolution. Link it to money clubs are due and desperate for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMax399 3,793 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: The reason to bother is because how can a Board give credible options, with a preferred one, without costing them out? Talking about tens of millions and the figures shouldn't have been calculated? Come on. You don't think the spfl should have provided for each option the financial, contractual and sporting costs and risks? I'd say that's disingenuous of a Board with 42 equal members not to do exactly that. Wonder why the English calculated it. I'm not saying it's not financially a worse off option, either for clubs with their own revenues or for the spfl with theirs. But it's been described as some huge chasm of difference when it may be no such thing. Its bemusing why for all the talk it's not clearer what the gulf, if any, actually is. It does seem Robertson was aware, maybe the other Board members were too. Are Rangers right or wrong that this wasnt highlighted as a risk to all member clubs? If wrong, we're daft claiming it in the dossier. If we're right, then the spfl have masked figures to help their preferred option succeed. I'm not actually suggesting n&v stacked up as the best option for any club or the spfl. But it mightnt have been as bad an option as presented by the spfl, and perhaps shouldn't have been dismissed as readily given arguably it is stronger in a sporting merit context than PPG with relegations, where clubs are worse off as a direct result. Your first paragraph sums it up for me. Potential options become very clear once a £ value is put against each of them. If I was a member club, you’d better believe I’d want to see the figures before I’d make a decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hustler 398 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, KingKirk said: Which will be fuck all cause they'll give her compo SPFL don’t have enough money for the amount of compo hearts (&others) would need Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKnight87 17,384 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, The hustler said: SPFL don’t have enough money for the amount of compo hearts (&others) would need They certainly don't now they have pissed away 7m. Either they appease hearts which means trying to force through league reconstruction. Or they go to court something I'm sure Doncaster and co want to avoid at all costs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,072 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, DMax399 said: Your first paragraph sums it up for me. Potential options become very clear once a £ value is put against each of them. If I was a member club, you’d better believe I’d want to see the figures before I’d make a decision. Course you would. You'd look at what the impact was from the spfl for various options, marry them up against those impacts on your own club, and use that to base your decision. If it's only financial issues your answer is determined. If you're considering sporting issues, goodwill factors then the financial figures help shape your decision combined with these other factors that are relevant to you / your club. Yet we're led to believe they're not important. Given how the 10m undisclosed risk came to subsequently be highlighted the genuine comparable figures for each option were very much required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Traive 22,980 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 hours ago, eejay the dj said: Jambos fans still confident that SPFL will force through reconstruction .🤔 Corruption may still play a part in this one You mean MORE corruption? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkster 4,935 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 3 hours ago, eejay the dj said: Jambos fans will be apoplectic if comp package is agreed They want recon or court . I think the vote could still go through .They are good at rigging votes God knows, they've had the practice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eejay the dj 31,964 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Colin Traive said: You mean MORE corruption? Of course I did 😄That is all this Country knows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Fantana 28,894 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Surprised this is still going, the board have rolled over on the issue, as expected. What do people expect to happen now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroonBear 696 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 5 hours ago, SeparateEntityMyArse said: The reason to bother is because how can a Board give credible options, with a preferred one, without costing them out? Talking about tens of millions and the figures shouldn't have been calculated? Come on. You don't think the spfl should have provided for each option the financial, contractual and sporting costs and risks? I'd say that's disingenuous of a Board with 42 equal members not to do exactly that. Wonder why the English calculated it. I'm not saying it's not financially a worse off option, either for clubs with their own revenues or for the spfl with theirs. But it's been described as some huge chasm of difference when it may be no such thing. Its bemusing why for all the talk it's not clearer what the gulf, if any, actually is. It does seem Robertson was aware, maybe the other Board members were too. Are Rangers right or wrong that this wasnt highlighted as a risk to all member clubs? If wrong, we're daft claiming it in the dossier. If we're right, then the spfl have masked figures to help their preferred option succeed. I'm not actually suggesting n&v stacked up as the best option for any club or the spfl. But it mightnt have been as bad an option as presented by the spfl, and perhaps shouldn't have been dismissed as readily given arguably it is stronger in a sporting merit context than PPG with relegations, where clubs are worse off as a direct result. You are spot on. I still cannot understand how we (or any team as members) haven't had a copy of the independent enquiry carried out by Deloitte. More so, it was NOT the SPFL board right to decide what was the best option for its member teams, their role was to provide options and give pros/ cons for each option. The decision for what option to take should have been the clubs. As a multi million pound orgabisation, they must record all of their decisions and provide an audit trail to show they acted in the best interest of the clubs. Surely this must have been provided, if not it should be requested so it can be reviewed. As a member club, they cannot stop us asking for it and more importantly, they most provide it. You want an extension then you get quotes and weigh up what you are getting for each price. If you want a boiler then you qet quotes, carry out research and see what best suits you. Fuck, even buying a lawnmower you'd google where was the cheapest and who has the best deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 3 hours ago, The hustler said: SPFL don’t have enough money for the amount of compo hearts (&others) would need Well maybe if the SPFL stopped paying some people exorbitant salaries , expenses and bonuses that they really dont deserve , that organisation may stop finding itself perpetually destitute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,767 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 According to H&H this reconstruction is officially dead Just like the jambos in a few week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacBoyd 5,575 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, KingKirk said: According to H&H this reconstruction is officially dead Just like the jambos in a few week That French judgement surely gives them hope? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,072 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, MacBoyd said: That French judgement surely gives them hope? More likely to bottle it if they get a bit of compensation. Which then opens a new can of worms as to other clubs fighting against this as the spfl pot of money is by and large destined for those other clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,767 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, MacBoyd said: That French judgement surely gives them hope? imagine it lol kills Scottish football stone dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoastbear 1,639 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 If the Hertz do take legal action surely the courts would have to suspend the league coz how could they start it without knowing what clubs are actually in the league before it starts. Could the SPFL be stringing wee budgie along and by the time it could come to court the SPFL could turn round and go " ach well but we've already started" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 54,072 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 57 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: An absolute farce that a court can suspend relegation but throw out Lyons appeal at the same time. I've no idea 🤷♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKirk 25,767 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, southcoastbear said: If the Hertz do take legal action surely the courts would have to suspend the league coz how could they start it without knowing what clubs are actually in the league before it starts. Could the SPFL be stringing wee budgie along and by the time it could come to court the SPFL could turn round and go " ach well but we've already started" No chance mate if hearts go to court I doubt we'll see football start before September. It won't happen tho they'll probably be given compo and scum fc will pay 2/3million for that wee left back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroonBear 696 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 hours ago, GersInCanada said: I still think that Hearts have the stronger case. Kicked out of the league as a consequence of a rigged vote (I would pay to watch that challenge in court), financial damage etc. Our case was more governance issues and perhaps more tenuous. Just a guess on my part as I am not a lawyer. With what is happening in other leagues, i'd agree with you. It also make you wonder if this was taken into account by the SPFL when they decided calling the season and deciding on PPG was the only proposal open to clubs to vote on? IF they failed to consider it, then that is a major failing on how they came to their decision. As i said in a previous post, everything decided at the SPFL should be recorded with a clear audit trail that can be followed. All it takes is for us (would make us look like big bad Rangers), Hearts or Thistle to ask for this evidence and the answers should be there for all to see. Failing that and Hearts do have the bottle (IMO they don't) to go to court, it will all be out in the open. Hence why the SPFL will throw as much as the can to get them to accept relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 31,078 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 What happens to the teams due promotion in Ligue 2. Are they still getting promoted or are they fucked.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Nosed Babe 20,879 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 If this goes to court, Rangers may yet get what they want. Just now we are trying to show we want to be fair etc which makes us better than every other club. In the background however, our ultimate aim still remains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenoz 31,078 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Blue Nosed Babe said: If this goes to court, Rangers may yet get what they want. Just now we are trying to show we want to be fair etc which makes us better than every other club. In the background however, our ultimate aim still remains. Do you know something? You always seem optimistic that Rangers are still working in the background when Robertson didn't sound so assured when interviewed last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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