graeme_4’s official Clement discussion thread

[ForeverAndEver 74,247]

4 minutes ago, graeme_4 said:

 

Riddy of a guy.

[King Jela 21,895]

It was the best we've played this season and a very convincing win. 

The manager deserves credit for it. 

[graeme_4 38,205]

13 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Riddy of a guy.

Seems a fanny, but it’s domestically PC really needs judged on and I agree with him that last night is just papering over cracks.

Needs to go on a run of wins domestically to have any chance of turning the tide. 

[KingKirk 26,617]

15 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Riddy of a guy.

Tweets shite aswell! 

[gmcf 35,708]

4 minutes ago, King Jela said:

It was the best we've played this season and a very convincing win. 

The manager deserves credit for it. 

Of course he does  FCSB had won their two previous EL games and PC should get the credit for it .

The thing is though , along with Malmo and at a push Ross County , it's only our decent performances in 20 odd games this season . He needs to turn that around to get my backing now . 

I'm wondering if , like LeGuen , European football suits him more than the domestic game which is no good to us . It's why I'm an advocate of having a Scottish manager next time should he be replaced.  

[Roy Hobbs 3,055]

10 minutes ago, King Jela said:

It was the best we've played this season and a very convincing win. 

The manager deserves credit for it. 

I didn't think we were that good to be honest. Just ruthless with the chances we had and a lot more aggressive in midfield, which isn't a bad thing, but our general play was poor. 

[Roy Hobbs 3,055]

2 minutes ago, gmcf said:

Of course he does  FCSB had won their two previous EL games and PC should get the credit for it .

The thing is though , along with Malmo and at a push Ross County , it's only our decent performances in 20 odd games this season . He needs to turn that around to get my backing now . 

I'm wondering if , like LeGuen , European football suits him more than the domestic game which is no good to us . It's why I'm an advocate of having a Scottish manager next time should he be replaced.  

Are you including friendlies and the bounce game against Dundee in that number?

[gmcf 35,708]

2 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

I didn't think we were that good to be honest. Just ruthless with the chances we had and a lot more aggressive in midfield, which isn't a bad thing, but our general play was poor. 

I thought we improved the second half but it was frustrating the amount of loose passes we were making . Basic errors . Big improvement in effort though . 

[BlueSuedeSambas 56,994]

4 minutes ago, gmcf said:

Of course he does  FCSB had won their two previous EL games and PC should get the credit for it .

The thing is though , along with Malmo and at a push Ross County , it's only our decent performances in 20 odd games this season . He needs to turn that around to get my backing now . 

I'm wondering if , like LeGuen , European football suits him more than the domestic game which is no good to us . It's why I'm an advocate of having a Scottish manager next time should he be replaced.  

It was the same as Gio. Probably a good manager in an environment where games are more tactical, and a bit more open, but can’t dumb that down and apply it to the SPFL in a way that’s effective.

[gmcf 35,708]

2 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

Are you including friendlies and the bounce game against Dundee in that number?

It was just a guess off the top of my head , but no , I wasn't considering them .

Tbf , I dont think they should be counted whether they were won or lost . 

[AGM_72 4,170]

6 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

I didn't think we were that good to be honest. Just ruthless with the chances we had and a lot more aggressive in midfield, which isn't a bad thing, but our general play was poor. 

Yeah, that was my initial reaction last night. We sort of found ourselves 2-0 up without doing a whole lot. 

[gmcf 35,708]

2 minutes ago, BlueSuedeSambas said:

It was the same as Gio. Probably a good manager in an environment where games are more tactical, and a bit more open, but can’t dumb that down and apply it to the SPFL in a way that’s effective.

Yeah , Scottish football just seems to be a different animal where it's more about blood and thunder rather than technique. I think it catches both players and managers out that come here . 

[theiconicman 3,221]

25 minutes ago, King Jela said:

It was the best we've played this season and a very convincing win. 

The manager deserves credit for it. 

It's nothing to do with the manager. It's bcuase these mercenary players quite enjoy the glory of Europe so will put a shift in. Fully expect holiday mode against St Mirren at the weekend.

[theiconicman 3,221]

1 minute ago, gmcf said:

Yeah , Scottish football just seems to be a different animal where it's more about blood and thunder rather than technique. I think it catches both players and managers out that come here . 

I don't buy it. There is no magic formula here, the filth manage it season after season. It's the fact our players are not winners and are not up for a title fight. They are happy to accept mediocrity, defeated before the season begins. Fuck sake, Cerny had a good game but he was celebrating blocking a pass as much as a goal....

[Roy Hobbs 3,055]

2 minutes ago, theiconicman said:

It's nothing to do with the manager. It's bcuase these mercenary players quite enjoy the glory of Europe so will put a shift in. Fully expect holiday mode against St Mirren at the weekend.

The squad has been gutted with some of the players barely playing a handful of games in Europe, winning only two of them. Of course it's to do with the manager.

[.Williamson. 88,232]

Anyone letting themselves believe last night was an indication of Clement turning things around is a genuine moron 

[Davy Vandenbroucke 27,204]

Just now, .Williamson. said:

Anyone letting themselves believe last night was an indication of Clement turning things around is a genuine moron 

Don’t read FF then.

[.Williamson. 88,232]

Just now, Davy Vandenbroucke said:

Don’t read FF then.

I never do

[.Williamson. 88,232]

54 minutes ago, ForeverAndEver said:

Riddy of a guy.

He’s right though 

[NeoGeo7 11,484]

14 minutes ago, .Williamson. said:

Anyone letting themselves believe last night was an indication of Clement turning things around is a genuine moron 

It’s a case of short memories mate, it’s Malmo all over again.

As a support how many false dawns have we seen over the last 7/8 years?

[J-Maestro 14,194]

He deserves full credit for the way he set the side out and the performance, it is daft to act otherwise.

That doesn’t mean it’s some false dawn or that he’s going to conquer the SPL either.

[bluenoz 32,871]

If he sticks with Balogun, the duo of Barron & Raskin, and starts Igamane up front, then he deserves credit for last night's good performance.

if he goes back to Propper, Diomande and Dessers, then he learned nothing.

[Laudrupsleftfoot 12,537]

I enjoyed watching us last night.

That said the football was only decent for very small spells.

We looked incredibly open at times and a better team would have picked us off.

Clement’s approach is a bit too reliant on individual players producing a moment of quality rather than clear phases of a game where as a team we create good opportunities.

Has to be sitting here after Wednesday with two more wins.

[gmcf 35,708]

55 minutes ago, theiconicman said:

I don't buy it. There is no magic formula here, the filth manage it season after season. It's the fact our players are not winners and are not up for a title fight. They are happy to accept mediocrity, defeated before the season begins. Fuck sake, Cerny had a good game but he was celebrating blocking a pass as much as a goal....

Agree with you regards the players- they're not winners. They also lack fight which is something I don't think they're used to in their homeland. 

The filth have had more than their fair share of expensive failures too, but when you throw enough money at it , it will eventually succeed.

I still believe most continental players struggle with the lack of time you get on the ball here , as well as the physicality, and some of them just don't adapt. 

[BlueKnight87 18,054]

A much better performance last night. A long way to go if he's going to turn opinion round.

Need to see a hell of a lot more domestically.