SeparateEntityMyArse 55,332 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Do we have many, any? I just don't see it. Capable of delivering themselves, setting the example, demanding more of others, driving us to 3 points, takers of responsibility, bossing it? There's none. Butland barely commands his 6 yard box let alone his defenders. Goldson was the dominant CH and all others are +1s imo, Barron has a steelyness in his play but is quiet he's not a leader yet, Dessers causes no fear for defenders the way a Morelos did. Let's not even bother with our captain who looks completely disinterested. None of the rest are close to leaders of men. Imo we need leaders as much as proper quality players. Can only hope Propper shows the right quality, he was captain at Twente so he may have it. But we need at least a team spine of captains and if we don't get it we'll continue to be unsuccessful. Blue Skies 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J-Maestro 13,900 Posted August 4 Popular Post Share Posted August 4 I'm hopeful Propper lives up to his billing and we can get some experience at CM, really do need it in those positions. Roy Hobbs, RM Monitor And Standards Officer, Lovenkrands72 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossS1873 2,636 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Nope. No leaders from top to bottom. Holmes, even Murray to a certain point in time, Walter, Souness, Ferguson, Gough, Weir, Gerrard were all leaders at different points in our recentish history. When there's more of them together it's not a coincidence we had more success King Jela 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGM_72 4,059 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Yeah, been saying it through pre-season but when there's adversity during a match it looks quite obvious that we have nobody with any presence on the pitch. Especially in central areas. Hoping we'll bring a few in but probably unrealistic given the state we're in. SeparateEntityMyArse 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudrupsleftfoot 12,215 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Think this is a little overrated. We primarily need good players, coached well to be a better team than the sum of their parts. Yes a couple of leaders but it’s far down the list compared to quality on the park. Souttar is a leader but it’s no use if he’s a shite player. I also don’t see many leaders in the other lot, 2 or 3 maybe max. OrangeRab, J-Maestro and LaaRFC 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Bear 15,714 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, J-Maestro said: I'm hopeful Propper lives up to his billing and we can get some experience at CM, really do need it in those positions. I've wanted a CB and midfield general for a few years now. We really needed to replace Helander when he got injured and didn't and now we still could do with another decent CB in as all we have done now is replace Goldson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broxi 12,202 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 This thread gets made about twice a week KeyserSoze 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Maestro 13,900 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Laudrupsleftfoot said: Think this is a little overrated. We primarily need good players, coached well to be a better team than the sum of their parts. Yes a couple of leaders but it’s far down the list compared to quality on the park. Souttar is a leader but it’s no use if he’s a shite player. I also don’t see many leaders in the other lot, 2 or 3 maybe max. Think it's more players who know how to handle the pressures, how to see out close games and when to calm things down. We are massively missing a Steven Davis type player in the midfield and I wouldn't have said he was some guy roaring at the players. Leftpegcoopz11 and Laudrupsleftfoot 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftpegcoopz11 5,139 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, Broxi said: This thread gets made about twice a week My turn next week then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 34,078 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Getting to the stage that those about the place are so far removed of what Rangers are about it’s difficult to see leaders emerging from whats there on and off the park. In fact it’s depressing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 15,263 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Better football players first would be nice. Then shouty folk next. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,332 Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, J-Maestro said: Think it's more players who know how to handle the pressures, how to see out close games and when to calm things down. We are massively missing a Steven Davis type player in the midfield and I wouldn't have said he was some guy roaring at the players. "Capable of delivering themselves, setting the example, demanding more of others, driving us to 3 points, takers of responsibility, bossing it? " Davis fits my criteria of a leader. Its more than someone who shouts at others. Though we don't really have that either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 87,184 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 We don’t have anything atm. We have a loyal fanbase and that’s about it. Don’t even have a useable home ground Paisley Blue Loyal 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 15,263 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 5 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said: Getting to the stage that those about the place are so far removed of what Rangers are about it’s difficult to see leaders emerging from whats there on and off the park. In fact it’s depressing. What is it that we’re about that better players couldn’t fix Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather 75,665 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I just want footballers who can.. you know play football. When we get that right then the rest will fall into place. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 34,078 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: What is it that we’re about that better players couldn’t fix Certainly better players would help but if you need to ask that then honestly I can’t help you.🤷🏼♂️ Rangers_no1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeartzzz 197 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 It's far too early to re-write history saying Goldson was dominant. Give it another 6 months before that patter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,332 Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 12 minutes ago, Albeartzzz said: It's far too early to re-write history saying Goldson was dominant. Give it another 6 months before that patter. Goldson played almost every game. He was vice captain and included in previous managers group of players issues would be discussed with. He had multiple CH pairings, no one replaced him at right CH. Can question his ability but not his profile as the main CH whilst here. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 15,263 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 16 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said: Certainly better players would help but if you need to ask that then honestly I can’t help you.🤷🏼♂️ My point is that if we had better players we would win things restoring our club to a winning state. it’s really as simple as that. or is there something else that “we are about”? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddybear1975 2,287 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 All the best teams have a solid spine to their team. It’s important to get that right and build from it. We need a dominant 6 and 9 as a start. KeyserSoze 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeparateEntityMyArse 55,332 Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 Another way of looking at it. Who did we believe could or would take yesterday game by the scruff of the neck and turn 1 point into 3? Noone. And better players will certainly help but they will need to learn to beat Cektic who are better than us, have a stronger spine, and players who possess leadership qualities and a will to win however it's achieved. Skill and talent won't be enough, the mentality of leaders will be needed too Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo 33,324 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I agree. I think it's what we need most someone in the middle of the park and at CB that can bring the best out of people. You notice it with them when MacGregor was out, and Brown before him. Good players can become less effective when leqde4s aren't there. Although I think every player that comes in should have the quality of being driven and self confident. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 34,078 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 5 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: My point is that if we had better players we would win things restoring our club to a winning state. it’s really as simple as that. or is there something else that “we are about”? Stevie Wonder could make the point that if we had better players we could maybe restore winning ways but without leaders of strength it’s difficult. Again if needed explained seriously then I can’t help you. 🤷🏼♂️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gascoigne's Flute 332 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Even If Pröpper is a leader it will mean fuck all with this shite squad. Dessers, Wright, Davies, Matondo etc suddenly won't turn into fantastic footballers. The problem is our terrible scouting of players. Get good players in then you win more games, simple. Leaders do help if you need to grind out a win at certain points in a game. Only problem is I don't think these players seem capable of going on a winning run over a long period. OrangeRab 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze 15,263 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 40 minutes ago, BLUEDIGNITY said: Stevie Wonder could make the point that if we had better players we could maybe restore winning ways but without leaders of strength it’s difficult. Again if needed explained seriously then I can’t help you. 🤷🏼♂️ Because you can’t coherently say what “our club is about “ isn’t my fault. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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