[Jordan Jones]

1. This was 3 years ago and we don’t know the context.  

2. It is well known he has PUL roots and supports Rangers. 

3. The Hutton post is a rumour with no evidence. 

4. Someone is mischief making! 

[Uefa charge]

Just now, siddiqi_drinker said:

Said PROBABLY -- hedging ma bets. 

That’s just chickening out so you don’t go to hell on judgement day.  

If there was a heaven (there isn’t) and they didn’t let non believers in ( that’s wat they say) then I’ve no interest in that party!

on the other hand I look forward to a 55 party!!

[Uefa charge]

22 minutes ago, bobbyrussellpsv said:

First post 🇬🇧  is there  any proof that Jesus  existed?  Am a Protestant atheist as well👍🇬🇧 and I. Support t he world's most successful club  the famous Glasgow  Rangers 🇬🇧

 

 

I think there is good evidence that Jesus existed and that he had followers.  

So he was a leader of men in his time.  People built a religion around him.  I think it’s reasonable to think he was a bit of a charismatic well meaning socialist.  The bible was written at various times and has some pretty good messages such as the Ten Commandments but an eye for an eye is not so forgiving. 

However Jesus was the son of a normal man and a normal woman. He was deified by his followers. This often happens.  

Laudrup however, .... is a God!!!

[Uefa charge]

2 hours ago, siddiqi_drinker said:

No Easter Bunny!!!!

arghhhhhh!!!

[Uefa charge]

5 hours ago, theiconicman said:

The statement that there is no God is ridiculous. You are stating a belief, not a fact. And belief is the realm of religion. Atheism is just as bad as any other religion.

Where is your proof? There is a branch of current scientific thinking that posits all there may be is consciousness, matter doesn't exist at the fundamental level. Panpsychism goes back to Plato and still retains credibility today.

If I had a state a belief state, I'd go with agnosticism, however I'd like to imagine a world where the entirely of the universe is 'god' and we're each a part of it.

The scientific method suggests no requirement for there to be a god. You may go with agnostic as is your right.  The statement that there is no god is not remotely ridiculous.  There is no evidence and no need.  Darwinism explains evolution of complex life which is the main evidence god protagonists use.  Read some literature such as the blind watchmaker. 

The thing is that most people’s beliefs are fixed and will not change with no evidence.  

I do not seek to change your view.  

It dismays me that Christian Muslim conflict drives many wars. It dismays me that the Catholic Church promote separate schools and are antiabortion and anticontraception   

I find it ironic that with countries Christians fight or Muslim groups fight.

Atheism is not as bad as other religions.  

A lack of belief in a being with no evidence of existence is a perfectly sane assessment of the evidence we currently have. 

I do not have to prove the absence of something with no evidence. The burden of proof lies with you.   

I could debate this endlessly but not sure most in a Rangers forum wish to.  

I simply wanted us not to self harm on Sunday. The fans didn’t.  I’m pleased with that. The performance was awful. We need to ( the team) do better.  

We belong in different Venn diagrams for religious and other beliefs but we support Rangers where we are as one  and as such we must be a broad church ( pardon the pun). This makes us stronger! 

WATP!

[Uefa charge]

There is no God.  

But I respect everyone’s belief.  

There is however a Rangers. We have that in common and that is enough.  The fans did well on Sunday.  Our noise was loud and I heard no songs that could be construed adversely. 

The team selection, tactics and performance were poor though. 

I wanted to us (the fans) to avoid bad press. 

I am however disappointed at the public lynching and sine die banning of a 15 yo who made what I thing were inappropriate comments to Scott Brown.  I would have hoped that education and reconciliation would have been a more suitable punishment. 

Perhaps he could have raised some funds for skin cancer and made a donation along with a public apology.  

 

[Uefa charge]

58 minutes ago, Redwhiteandblue said:

You're an atheist Protestant?

I was brought up as a west of Scotland Protestant with Irish roots.  

As I have listened to and assessed the evidence I am of the opinion that there is no god! Therefore I am atheist.  I still however have leanings towards the cultural aspects of my upbringing.  

I am not so fond of Catholicism.  

It does make me smile that catholic’s and Protestants hate each other despite a Christian belief in the same god. ( don’t lecture me on the differences I already know them)

so I am an atheist and an educated scientist  ( there is no god) with Protestant upbringing. My friends would call me a Protestant. 

This however is a Rangers forum so my lack of religious belief should have no bearing. 

If the belief in a caring god is necessary for Scottish Protestants surely tolerance and understanding would also be part of this. 

Apologies for long answer

[Defoe or Alfredo?]

Morelos is a genuine 20 mil striker who we could not afford to buy.  

He should start every big game!

[Monday morning]

34 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Not arguing that point though. 

Im arguing your stupid point that it will drive players and the manager away, and now you’ve claimed it will drive fans away. 😂😂

Sensible folk see what TBB is a song sang at 90 mins of football that makes not a bit of difference to anyone’s life. 

Oh and if we do sing the bad bad words there will be fuck all punishment. 

Never said it would drive fans away. I said that fans are deprived of seeing our team already because of current bans. 

If we end up banned from Europe.  It will drive our manager and players away. 

If our brand is portrayed as sectarian it is not an attractive feature for a manager or players. 

I agree it is just a song and just 90 minutes and the punishment is excessive.  However EUFA / FARE are what we are currently up against.  

I get there is no punishment for songs on Sunday. I just don’t want our glory to be tarnished by what the media and Scotland’s middle ground read on Monday morning.   

We have an opportunity to go top at a time they are vulnerable so I don’t want any gloss taken off that moment. 

See. We are not so far apart !

[Monday morning]

Just now, Jakes Pal said:

As I said, the rights or wrongs of what I firmly believe will happen tomorrow I will leave to others. I am merely trying to be realistic about the chances of the crowd not giving it the full repertoire tomorrow. 

 

I fear the same which is why I started the post. I’m actually less interested in the ethics of which songs are correct than the punishments they attract.  I just hope our support can be clever about the current situation. 

[Monday morning]

8 minutes ago, Jakes Pal said:

I think you can just about guarantee that it will me more than just the front pages. For all the talk about toning things down, we all know that tomorrow will be vicious. The Bears will let rip with everything, the abuse aimed at their players and the all too large, little group of them in the corner will be off the scale, the rights or wrongs of which I will leave to others.  And the press will have a field day.

Never mind the constitutional/political crisis tearing the country apart, there will be 10 page special reports, and I confidently predict, at least one one already being prepared,  special (souvenir)pullout job, all of which will be screaming about strict liability and stripping us of any points we may take off them tomorrow in the event of a positive result for us.

Whilst I am not be nature a betting man, I will happily take the money off anyone who genuinely thinks that the above scenario will not be played out.

But jakes pal.  

We have the ability to ensure this does not happen.  It’s just a few songs we need not to sing. 

We as fans can not guarantee the result but we are collectively responsible for the adverse headlines we generate.  

Let them sing their vitriol ... society can judge them.

Let us move on and leave them behind in football terms and in terms of their behaviour. 

Let us destroy them on the pitch.  

Yes they will know us by our noise but without the specific songs.  

[Monday morning]

7 minutes ago, .Williamson. said:

Ulster would have been in some state if you were in charge 

Aye very good. Family hail from there. They did the right thing in their time.  I’m no apologist.

Defiance is not leadership.

You are no strategist.  

So tell me.  What has our European defiance achieved. 3000 fans missing out x 2. Club fines + loss of income.  No travelling support to Berne.  Further penalties will be ground closure or expulsion. 

Its about Rangers now.... not fucking Ulster then. 

Ive been on here a few years and you are obviously an avid poster. I’m an auld yin ( don’t know what age you are) and I respect your posting seniority and your passion.  I do not wish to fall out with my fellow supporters.  

I ask you to consider 1st the now... not the then

The clubs future.

Strategy .... not just defiance. 

Strict liability is coming.... if the SFA don’t impose it the SNP will come after them.  

Lets not harm ourselves in the meantime.  

As a senior poster, I ask you to think first of the club and second of the club and third of the club and encourage others to adhere to European songbook this season.  

That my friend gives us a moral high ground.  

[Monday morning]

41 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said:

Who gives a fuck what the media focus on? Only thing I care about is taking 3 points off these cunts.

Half the chat on here is about the media.  

I mean wider middle ground society.  

3 points we agree on. But we don’t need to shoot ourselves in the foot.  

[Monday morning]

16 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Show me the OO walks that are going to get banned by this that weren’t already under threat because we have a republican council in glasgow. 

Silent protest won’t stop these cunts, I would’ve thought by now dignified silence has been shown to do nothing. 

I would’ve thought by now that we as a group of supporters would have recognised that singing TBB will harm our club and prevent fans watching our games

[Monday morning]

3 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Show me the OO walks that are going to get banned by this that weren’t already under threat because we have a republican council in glasgow. 

Silent protest won’t stop these cunts, I would’ve thought by now dignified silence has been shown to do nothing. 

We should be careful about identifying the IRA walk with our club.  

1.  I am pro our club. We should be clever and careful and progressive in how we support it.  All I suggest is that TBB etc is not sung on match days so that we are not tarnished by the wider society as sectarian and not punished by UEFA.

2. I am against paedophilia, the IRA, separate schools, failure to promote contraception, failure to allow abortion, Catholicism and all its perversitites, and I fucking despise Olives. I have put these in order of distaste. 

I believe we can stand together for the club on match days. 

Combatting the wider issues in relation to the IRA resurgence and its presence in Scotland.  Combatting the inequality in the inappropriately named FARE. Ensuring paedophiles and their enablers are punished.  These are more complex but very important societal issues. These are reasonable issues to fight against but using songs which are PERCIEVED AS sectarian on match days just weakens the argument and damages our club. 

[Monday morning]

1 hour ago, Scotjo said:

It’s our responsibility to sing loud and proud on Sun.

It’s our responsibility to be responsible and accountable for the outcomes of our actions. 

I read between your lines you mean TBB is ok.  It is not. 

[Monday morning]

15 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

😂😂 so your answer is just let an IRA March just waltz around Glasgow. 

Your a terrorists wet dream. 

Silent protest 😂😂 

And your solution is to have violent protest getting orange walks banned next year.  

I despise the IRA.  

I just have a view on the outcome. 

 

[Uefa charge]

Not banned  last year.  So what.  If I was not done for speeding last year but was this year it’s hardly an argument.  UEFA have raised the bar in terms of what is acceptable and we are now being watched!

Society is becoming less tolerant of homophobia racism and religious intolerance.  

As someone who identifies as protestant( my upbringing) but who is atheist ( my open mind and education) I am more interested in equality and climate change and the future than in the past.

I abhor Catholicism and the IRA  and the SNP. I am a Unionist.  I abhor separate schools, lack of promotion of contraception and the rest of their nonsense 

Many of us will have different  views and that is ok.

Our club is a broad church.  I have A strong PUL heritage. I don’t however need to sing about it in a manner which damages my club  which I support unreservedly.  

We do not have to agree on every aspect of our politics or who plays on the left against them.

... but we should not indulge in self harm.... and TBB and super Rangers etc on match days is now self harm.  

I understand that the SFA  and SPL have their hands tied but UEFA and society are watching. 

We just need to be clever.  

We need to identify our common aim which is the success of our club and do everything we can to ensure we prosper.  

 

[Monday morning]

1 hour ago, Courtyard Bear said:

Thank fuck we didn’t have folk like you in Govan yesterday. 

Modern Code 😂😂

So we don’t have terrorism and child abuse in today’s modern world then. 

Aye very good.   

Protests in govan and our marches get banned. And you see that as a successful outcome.  I wouldn’t send you out to buy an ice cream cone. 

We could have protested quietly. Within the law. Protest is fine.  Let THEM break the rules. 

We are again seen as part of the problem.  

A thousand silent banners. No IRA on our streets.    

[Monday morning]

1 hour ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said:

Couldn't give a fuck what we sing against these tarrier bastards. It's only in Europe we get punished for singing them and it's fucking bizarre that there's so many folk on here that still can't grasp that

Then we complain that the media focus on our singing rather than our performance. Grow up

[Monday morning]

2 hours ago, rabc10000 said:

Gerrard probably do any give a fuck what we sing but he will say the correct things at the correct time like all smart managers will do. If you think dif god help us.the lengths some will stoop to just to put across their apathetic points is unreal

The manager wishes the supporters to behave so he says the correct thing.  So we should sing the correct songs in the ground like all smart supporters will do. Just to paraphrase you

[Monday morning]

48 minutes ago, Courtyard Bear said:

So you would stand next to someone who would openly support the IRA??? 

You would stand next to someone who would cover up child rape?? 

Show  me one person in our support who has been racial abused. I can guarantee you there are catholic’s in our support. I couldn’t give a fuck what skin colour our players are or what religion they hold. 

By our very nature we are open to all. 

I abhor racism and Catholicism and child abuse.  

If they continue to sing IRA song it demeans them.  

I expect us to operate to a higher moral and more modern code. 

[Monday morning]

1 minute ago, .Williamson. said:

Alienating our manager? 

Our manager doesn’t want the negative press.  He wants the focus to be about our team. The football.  We should help him build a modern inclusive brand.  That is what he wants.  

[Monday morning]

5 hours ago, falkirkNS said:

Makes me sick all this pandering, Facebook loyal posts extra bike.

Fuck John Paul and fuck his followers

Makes me sick fans missing games, club getting fined, alienating potential signings and our manager.... because  you wanted to sing a song

[Monday morning]

I want to wake up, go to work, top of the league... with no adverse headlines about our songs. So sing loud and proud but choose our songs carefully like we did on Thursday at home to Legia.  

No songs that we wouldn’t sing in Europe.

Then there are no distractions from our glory. 

Lets show the Club we can do it.  

Enjoy the game lads. Govan rear.