ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Theirs nothing on the PFA site about this, you would think as it's supposed to be them who's looking after these players their would be something on their? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry-AV 51 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I have checked the Prospectus and these are the relevant passages (sorry for a long Post).Rangers International Football Club plcProspectus, pages 105 & 10611. Litigation11.3Certain players of RFC 2012 plc (Alan McGregor, Kyle Lafferty, Rhys McCabe, Sone Aluko,Steven Davis, John Fleck, Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker and Jamie Ness) purported to objectto the transfer of their contracts of employment to RFCL pursuant to TUPE. RFCL maintains thatthese purported objections were incompetent and that the players instead unilaterally terminatedtheir contracts of employment in an unlawful manner. Arbitration proceedings under Article 99 ofthe Articles of Association of the SFA were commenced on 5 July 2012 in the name of RFC 2012plc. Any damages due would be payable to RFCL. RFCL was not a member of the SFA at thattime and therefore the reference had to be made by RFC 2012 plc. RFC 2012 plc accepts that it hasno financial interest in the outcome.Discussions took place with representatives of some of the players and agreements have now beenreached with Steven Davis, John Fleck and Rhys McCabe. Representatives acting on behalf of theremaining players have challenged RFCL’s rights to participate in the process in any capacity giventhat it was not a member of the SFA at the time of the alleged breaches of contract and the date ofthe reference to the SFA under Article 99. A preliminary hearing has been fixed for 7 January 2013at which these jurisdictional challenges will be determined. If RFCL is successful at this hearing,then the claims against the remaining players will proceed to a full hearing. At this point it isanticipate that such a full hearing will take place in March or April of 2013. Preliminary advicefrom senior counsel is that RFCL's prospects of winning these preliminary arguments are good.However, it is not currently possible to quantify these claims in full.The only financial liability that RFCL could incur as a result of the Article 99 process is an awardof expenses in the event that it is unsuccessful in its claims against the players. It is far from certainthat such an award of expenses would be made, even if RFCL lost the case. In any event it is notanticipated that these costs would exceed £30,000.11.4PFA Scotland has raised an employment tribunal claim against RFCL on behalf of 67 unnamedplayers at the employment tribunal in Glasgow. The claim relates to an alleged failure on behalf ofRFC 2012 plc to inform and consult with affected employees prior to the TUPE transfer on 14 June2012. Both RFCL and Rangers 2012 plc have been cited and compensation can be awarded on a jointand several basis. RFCL's advisers have taken issue with PFA's right to bring such a claim on behalfof the players. Senior counsel's advice has been taken on the matter and a robust opinion has beengiven to the effect that PFA Scotland has no locus or standing to raise such a claim. RFCL advisersare therefore attempting to have the employment tribunal fix a pre-hearing review at which thisissue can be finally determined. If RFCL’s preliminary challenge to the bringing of this claim issuccessful that will be the end of the matter. It is not currently possible to quantify these claims in full.11.5Sone Aluko, Kyle Lafferty and Jamie Ness have raised employment tribunal claims against Newco.They claim constructive dismissal. RFCL has challenged the right of these players to bring such claimsfor a number of separate jurisdictional reasons, but in any event these are low value claims. The playerswere all employed by new clubs almost immediately on financial terms which we understand are at leastas beneficial as those they enjoyed with RFC 2012 plc. The Club’s advisers believe that these claimshave simply been lodged for tactical purposes that relate to the SFA arbitration described in paragraph11.3 above. It is not currently possible to quantify these claims in full.11.6There has been no governmental, legal or arbitration proceedings (including any such proceedingswhich are pending or threatened of which any member of the Rangers Group is aware) which mayhave, or have had during the 12 months preceding the date of this document a significant effect onthe financial position or profitability of the Rangers Group.PART XIVDEFINITIONS (some), pages 117 to 121APAthe agreement for the acquisition of the business and assets ofthe Club from RFC 2012 plc as summarised at paragraph 12.1.1of Part XIII of this documentCompanyRangers International Football Club plc, a public limited companyincorporated in Scotland under the Companies Act 2006 withregistered number SC437060Rangers Group or Groupthe Company and all subsidiary undertakings of the Companyfrom time to time, and specifically as enlarged by the Acquisitionof RFCL and all its subsidiary undertakingsRFCLmeans The Rangers Football Club Limited a private limitedCompany incorporated in Scotland under the Companies Act2006 with registered number SC425159 which acquired thebusiness and assets of the Club from RFC 2012 plcRFCL GroupRFCL and all other subsidiary undertakings of RFCL from time to timeRFC 2012 plcmeans RFC 2012 plc (in liquidation), a company incorporated inScotland with company number SC004276 whose registeredoffice is at Ibrox Stadium, Glasgow, G51 2XD and which wasformerly known as the Rangers Football Club plcTUPETransfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations 2006 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabawsa 888 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Who is representing or advising the PFA? Is it a law firm conversant with such matters on this scale? Maybe a connection with someone familiar with tribunals and really going out their way to cause bother?On another probably unrelated point. Didn't Murray or someone mention that leaked informations on EBT's could have come from tribunal services? Unconnected? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadman 342 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You don't supose this is anything to do with the, dare i say it, BTC and HMRC's threat to go after the players who participated to try and make them pay anything 'owed' - i've not seen the prospectus so i don't know the wording regarding what this is all about - going by the number of players etc shown they might be making a claim against the club stating that they weren't 'informed or properly consulted' about the in's and out's of the EBT scheme (but, again, this throws it all back to the 'oldco' and is nowt to do with CG and the current setup). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,658 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 67 ? Think aboot it ! A mischievous bheggar me thinks ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 You don't supose this is anything to do with the, dare i say it, BTC and HMRC's threat to go after the players who participated to try and make them pay anything 'owed' - i've not seen the prospectus so i don't know the wording regarding what this is all about - going by the number of players etc shown they might be making a claim against the club stating that they weren't 'informed or properly consulted' about the in's and out's of the EBT scheme (but, again, this throws it all back to the 'oldco' and is nowt to do with CG and the current setup).It's got nothing to do with TBTC. It's to do when Charles Green 1st took over and players not transferring over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverBlue_Since91 2,895 Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 67 ? Think aboot it ! A mischievous bheggar me thinks ! It was in the prospectus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,658 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It was in the prospectus.Well if it was in the prospectus who am I to argue ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GF7 8 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Would 67 be every player on a professional contract from youths (16) and upwards - Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUEDIGNITY 33,658 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Maybe it was a jungle that made up the prospectus ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKGER 138 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sone aluko's innocent!!! This better not destroy he's rep. He tweeted on the day of our 140th how much he wished he could be their to join in the celebrations and I don't believe for a minute he'd ever knowingly harm rangers Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,162 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sone aluko's innocent!!! This better not destroy he's rep. He tweeted on the day of our 140th how much he wished he could be their to join in the celebrations and I don't believe for a minute he'd ever knowingly harm rangersSo did Rhys Mccabe Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airdriebluenose 351 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Bull fucking shit, just a made up lies story Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchieshearercaldow 22,190 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It looks like the players union is trying to cover it's arse by making counterclaims.As far as I can see none of the players know anything about it, even Aluko tweeted that he knew nothing.The 67 could include anyone who was registered with the PFA working at the club (could Ally still be a member?)It's what unions do when they're threatened with damages, count the numbers then claim on their behalf. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauder1872 10 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Think we best hang fire before we prepare the firing squad for certain ex players. It appears that many players don't have a clue about the claims. I don't believe for 1 minute that Aluko, for instance, would do such a thing & yet he's being hung out to dry in the first few pages on here. 1 by 1 current and ex players are pleading ignorance on twitter and I happen to believe them. Really not convinced about these claims. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombaybadboy08 15,660 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Five former Rangers players have launched legal action against the Ibrox club for 'constructive dismissal' during the turbulent battle for survival in the summer. Steven Naismith and Steven Whittaker have joined Kyle Lafferty, Sone Aluko and Jamie Ness in taking newco Rangers to an employment tribunal over the circumstances that led them to leave the club.The players had exercised what they believed to be their right to leave under Transfer of Undertakings Protection of Employment (TUPE) legislation after the Rangers oldco folded following the mismanagement of disgraced former owner Craig Whyte.Ibrox chief executive Charles Green has always maintained that by not transferring their contracts to the newco, the players were acting outwith football's legal framework when they walked out over the summer.He sought to block their moves, but Naismith left for Everton, Lafferty joined Swiss side Sion, Whittaker signed for Norwich, Aluko moved to Hull City, and Ness signed on at Stoke.In a bid to collect £1.5million for Goodison forward Naismith, however, Green previously launched legal action against the five transferring their registrations - with those cases set to be arbitrated by the SFA in the New Year.The latest move is a clear indication the players are biting back, with their legal action against Rangers potentially damaging to the Third Division club.Much of the detail was revealed within the share prospectus launched last week, although Whittaker's and Naismith's decision is a new development.Rangers insisted they will defend the claim and stated in the prospectus: 'They claim constructive dismissal. (Rangers Football Club Ltd) has challenged the right of these players to bring such claims for a number of separate jurisdictional reasons, but in any event these are low value claims.'Rangers believe the claims have been made 'for tactical purposes' relating to the dispute over the transfer of their registration.Meanwhile, news that 67 unnamed current and former Rangers players are involved in legal action against the club has been played down by a senior source as a 'red herring'. The development came to light only yesterday despite also being included in the Ibrox share prospectus. It relates to the transfer of player contracts between the oldco and newco Rangers after the sale of the club's assets to Green's consortium.The action, relating to a failure by Rangers to 'inform and consult', was launched in the summer. Sportsmail understands, however, that players who have since signed new deals at Rangers, such as captain Lee McCulloch, have waived their right to mount a challenge.McCulloch took to Twitter last night to say: 'For everyone asking, I'm not involved in the 67 people and if my name is there it will be getting taken off.'Bolton's Gregg Wylde, who is on loan at Bury, also said he was not involved. In the prospectus, the Ibrox club challenged PFA Scotland's right to bring a claim on behalf of those 67 players.Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2EhTuhX64Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jela 20,371 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I wish it was Lafferty those Dj's from Australia prank-called. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCDBigBear 10,831 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 The 5 amigos can take a hike. I can't see how they can claim much as they all got new contracts PDQ. As stated in the IPO prospectus, they are all on good salaries and probably more than they were getting with us. Difficult to claim a loss of whatever if you are now getting the same or more. Lafferty said he was wanting to go anyway.As for 67 players, some appear to know nothing about this. It appears that the claim has been raised by the SPFA and includes current players??? I suspect that any current player will get this dropped. Many of the young players who were made redundant will be included in the list. Actually it looks like it is every player signed over 16 or whenever you can sign professional forms. The claim is against the oldco as well as RFC. The whole thing is likely to amount to very little in the grand scheme of things for RFC. Much ado about (almost) nothing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumhoilann 6,712 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 When did Liewell take over the SPFA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBlue 136 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Main downside to this is that all the Celtic supporting tax experts at work are suddenly going to become experts on employment law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarkev 3,540 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Main downside to this is that all the Celtic supporting tax experts at work are suddenly going to become experts on employment law.At least it gives them a reason to live and something to do....probably find crime will be down as a result...Cant wait for the anonymous Rangers Players Dispute blog to spring up... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC55 109,162 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 At least it gives them a reason to live and something to do....probably find crime will be down as a result...Cant wait for the anonymous Rangers Players Dispute blog to spring up...Its to be called, The Rangers Tupe case blog Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLE SUPER WILBERT 2,475 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Fuck you Naismith ya horrible judas scummy cunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianBacon 2,088 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Any former employee who sues Rangers Football Club should be metaphorically stoned to death, hung, drawn and quartered and their remains shat upon by a herd of AIDS-riddled fucking wildebeest.Dirty, greedy rat-bag bastards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluepeter9 5,167 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Any former employee who sues Rangers Football Club should be metaphorically stoned to death, hung, drawn and quartered and their remains shat upon by a herd of AIDS-riddled fucking wildebeest.Dirty, greedy rat-bag bastards.Why don't you come off the fence and tell us what you really think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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