The Mailman 330 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Blue Avenger said: How does two players without ability get better with different players around them unless the players around them are actually doing their job for them at which point your team is two men down? Danny Wilson won the SPL with Rangers , was his job getting done for him then? Or did he play better with better players around him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delamonty 992 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Defence wins championships, Â We need to improve. Â When we have off days (in an attacking sense) we need our back 4 -- and Keeper to save the day. Â Right now.. it ain't good enough. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 The worst part of our teams still not been fixed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Avenger 22,567 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 1 hour ago, The Mailman said: Danny Wilson won the SPL with Rangers , was his job getting done for him then? Or did he play better with better players around him? Well Danny, you'll be able to enlighten us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCRobertson 11,778 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 The centre backs get a hard time and at times rightfully so, but at the same time you have to step back and look at the situation they're put in from the rest of the team. Wallace bombs on, Tav bombs on, Halliday bombs on. Everyone is up around the box so when a counter does come it's usually 2+ vs Kiernan and Wilson. Any centre back pairing would have trouble with that. With an experienced defender like Hill at either Kiernans or Wilsons side, they should be a bit better. And with Barton in the mid they should be a bit more covered. In saying that, Kiernan can make silly mistakes and Wilson does a shit job at marking. Wilson was good first time around because he had Davie Weir at his side to direct him, a older more experienced centre half and a younger, faster centre half is a good pairing. Something that Hill + K/W could be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz 7 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Clint Hill will no doubt add the experience and stability we need. I totally agree that our back four are very vulnerable when any team has a go, however, I trust MW and especially DW in getting it sorted before the transfer window shuts. The thing is, MW loves to play attacking football at every opportunity, he encourages Wallace and Tavernier to push forward which will always leave us a bit exposed at times, I think with Barton in the side he will ensure that our midfield are continually tracking back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Hopefully the manager can find us a top drawer CB.  someone of Bougherra or Cuellar's quality who can take us to the next level defensively.  It's a big ask tho. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMax399 3,708 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 20 hours ago, ThatNightInFlorence said: I see the same issues are being spoke about that were spoke about last season.  That'll be because it was the exact same players and we have just over two weeks of training under our belt Clint Hill will add experience to that back line and be able to talk Kiernan/Wilson through the game more. Barton/Rossiter in Halliday's role is obviously going to give us an improvement and we are still in the market for a new centre half.  I'll stick to enjoying the win tonight given how embarrassing we were the last time we were at Fir Park  This is my interpretation of the situation having watched the game. Changes will occur as these players are brought into the team. The reality is that we need 2 solid CBs (Hill may be one of them and possibly one other yet to be identified) to push/replace Keirnan/Wilson, because we will continue to be exploited at the back if we don't change. But, one way or the other I'm sure we will improve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT 30,449 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Hopefully a good defensive midfielder will help fix that along with one or IMO two new centre defenders. Â Â The thing that struck me was in the first half they hit us on the counter down the right, Tav was nowhere to be seen, Halliday just let the cunt run past them and what? 36/37 year old Kenny Miller ran from the half way line and hunted this guy down to the right corner box. Â That for me was a disgrace and a shocker. Â Great work by Miller, shocking by the rest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sket 13,610 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 20 hours ago, The Godfather said: Realistically Motherwell should have been 3 up at HT Criminal the space we gave them in the first half. It needs sorted,it's beyond a joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyleh1872 87 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 20 hours ago, John Greig's Sideburns said: Anyone think once Tavs gets confidence he becomes a decent defender? I know what you mean, after his goal he seemed to be in less advanced positions and was playing as a rb. Perhaps once he makes a contribution by scoring or assisting he feels he can relax a bit and focus on defending the lead. But I know what you mean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianferguson 2,619 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 It ain't rocket science, if you can't head a ball and are a poor tackler then you'll concede goals. At the moment 3 of the four prefer to piss about at the back and that'll prevent us winning the league if not fixed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
borderbear 150 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Agreed with most here- CBs are a liability and need to be no more than back-up this year. Doubt Halliday will be employed in that role much once Barton, Rossiter and Crooks are available. To be fair he was better going forward than Holt yesterday. Can see us playing with Barton and Rossiter sitting deep together, will give us flexibility to have one covering RB when Tav disappears and the other still sitting central. Can also see them operating like Kante and Drinkwater at Leicester last season taking turns at sitting and driving forward. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deco19761 1,006 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Move tav into midlfield out right. Ricksen stepped up to the mark and feel tav wpuld be better in there with a strong defender behind him. It took miller to track back to dispossess that winger.cos he left tav for dead. Move him up one and you dont need to panic about his defensive frailties ao much. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deco19761 1,006 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 The centre halfs are far too slow. If they watch what gough and butcher used to do . One sould sit on the forward and when the keeper etc launched the ball one woukd step back five yards, therefore being able.to read the gsme and give them more of a chance to combat any forward runs in behind the full backs. Like a sweeper but not a conventional sweeper. Play square across the back apart from when the long balls come forward. Sit too deep causes problems but anyone with a bit of pace gets behind tav and we are left exposed. The two three or five yards woyld make such a difference to the stability of the defence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackal 548 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Andy halliday takes a fair bashing on here every time the two centre backs get spoke about. Halliday imo has been great since he signed for us, hes done a decent job at dm and in no way should he be getting pelters for some of the performances Kiernan and Wilson have put in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mailman 330 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 1 hour ago, deco19761 said: Move tav into midlfield out right. Ricksen stepped up to the mark and feel tav wpuld be better in there with a strong defender behind him. It took miller to track back to dispossess that winger.cos he left tav for dead. Move him up one and you dont need to panic about his defensive frailties ao much. I think regardless of who plays RB we'd have the same problem , Warburton obviously likes his full backs bombing on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATP-FOREVER 5,231 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 23 hours ago, John Greig's Sideburns said: Anyone else noticed that Halliday can't seem to mark a player? No Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Jackal said: Andy halliday takes a fair bashing on here every time the two centre backs get spoke about. Halliday imo has been great since he signed for us, hes done a decent job at dm and in no way should he be getting pelters for some of the performances Kiernan and Wilson have put in.    I don't think posters consider Halliday is doing his best in an unfamiliar position he's performing quite well and he can't be blamed as you say for every mistake made by our defence. The same way Barton in the middle is not going to make our defence any better at cross balls or outjump wee guys like McDonald. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allgers 735 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 On 16/07/2016 at 5:46 PM, KingKirk said: I don't agree obviously our style leaves our cbs man for man. Faced with that you can't dive in. Keep the shape and force the man to beat you and the keeper if they do then its to good. Best way to stop it is keeping possession and stop the sloppy mistakes. Rangers should be able to play 2v2 at the back without doubt Have to agree with this, though better CB's wouldn't go wrong. Maybe we should trial some from Gibraltar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambrogio 517 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Have zero confidence in kiernan . Should be back up at best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
To Be A Ranger 4,032 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 It's not just the lack of awareness from the 2 CB's that puts the frighteners on me its also Kiernens passing and the fact that we are susceptible to any high balls being played into our box. A good defence should bully attacking players not the other way round. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 On 16/07/2016 at 9:28 AM, folkestoneger said: Defence will never be your strongpoint when your full backs play just in front of the wingers. We will have to get used to it because I doubt the manager will change it anytime soon. Hopefully a better defensive midfielder will cut out the source balls before they land behind our defence This. Â Germany play with two wing backs pushing up and always have players ready to drop back and cover. Â Hopefully Barton can help fort our DM issues. Â That said Ithe Wilson/Kiernan duo is always going to be an issue. Â Think the question becomes which one to play alongside Hill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackal 548 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 50 minutes ago, Rangers_no1 said: Halliday gets 'slated' because of his poor performances and lack of defensive cover. He's never a DM and it's clear to see, when Ball played in there we looked far more secure and I don't even rate Ball! Hes not a dm but think hes done a decent enough job. As for ball hes way overated! If he was even half decent he would have ousted one of kiernan and Wilson in his preferred position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterD 7,435 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 4 hours ago, WATP-FOREVER said: No Go watch the semi final game where he lost his man twice for them to score both goals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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