stuart1994 4,304 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 He's got the worst positioning I've ever seen, not even exaggerating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnberry18 3,204 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, Deanzmeanzheinz said: Well if it's a scapegoat you want then start and end this discussion with Dalcio? At least Waggy has turned in some good games over the last couple of years - 4-2 game with Hibs for one. We were warned by portuguese joirnalists that this guy doesnt amount to much -thats an understatement - he's fuckin mince. Didn't see your post before I made mine, but I agree. I think he should move on though, he lacks a great deal of confidence, and possibly playing for a club that needs to win every match doesn't suit him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk and disorderly. 14,512 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 1 minute ago, dogtanian said: I'm not his biggest fan and would get shot of him in an instant but I think he is better playing on the right wing and cutting inside, don't know why Pedro plays him as a striker however he can't finish I agree that he is better on the right wing but he isn't a winger. Just less painful to watch him play there mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewaj3 1,446 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, LegendofCoop said: I beg to differ. See my post above. Any midfielder worth his money isn't just going to play a ball into a space if there's no one there to get it. Waghorn as the central forward has to see the spaces opening up in the defence allowing the midfield to pass to him. Clueless positioning from him means the midfield have no outlet. Proof of that came from our goal.....Niko decided to play a quick ball into Miller who was sharp enough to see a space and run into it. Waghorn was hanging around looking to take a wild swipe at it and hoof it to row Z. I agree, the difficulty is that any striker who is up against a team that are sitting 10 behind the ball is there arent a lot of gaps. Which is why the rest of the team need to create that with their movement. Sadly holt, niko, dalcio and jack didnt really offer this. I'm letting miller off because of his goal, but with him dropping deep all the time that doesn't help either. We need someone buzzing about up front next to the striker, a nacho novo type if you like. That is how we create gaps for any striker. Hopefully pena and herrera have that extra quality and can make a difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, Turnberry18 said: Didn't see your post before I made mine, but I agree. I think he should move on though, he lacks a great deal of confidence, and possibly playing for a club that needs to win every match doesn't suit him. Agree ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Bear 411 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Think Pedro saw this as a game in the shop window for baggy waggy. He surely won't get another sniff when big Herrera steps up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMB 14,167 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Waghorn actually looks beaten. It doesn't look like a guy who is fit, happy, and ready for the new season. The guy just looks as if he's thrown in the towel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thewhitesettler 2,711 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 He must be really keen at training. First one in, and last to leave. He looks more like a weightlifter than a footballer. He plays like a weightlifter too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhrfc 2,242 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Watched him tonight against fifth rate defenders, looked slow and unimaginative. Time to move on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddiqi_drinker 14,635 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Deanzmeanzheinz said: Well if it's a scapegoat you want then start and end this discussion with Dalcio? At least Waggy has turned in some good games over the last couple of years - 4-2 game with Hibs for one. We were warned by portuguese joirnalists that this guy doesnt amount to much -thats an understatement - he's fuckin mince. Want to discuss Dalcio then start a new thread, Waghorn was never great but the amount he has fallen away is unreal. He looks muscular but unfit, uninterested and unable to contribute. Time for him to move on, hopefully, MW will come for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcbear 10,924 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 3 hours ago, siddiqi_drinker said: Want to discuss Dalcio then start a new thread, Waghorn was never great but the amount he has fallen away is unreal. He looks muscular but unfit, uninterested and unable to contribute. Time for him to move on, hopefully, MW will come for him. That's just about right, he's went from the lions cage to the butterfly enclosure in no time at all, strange one but what last night showed is that he is a waste of a jersey not even threatening to do anything of note, man down. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I'd be surprised if we see him getting another start now. If he can't manage to look even semi decent against a team of that level then it's just never going to work for him. It's like playing with 10 men when he's on the pitch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Williamson. 82,581 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, LaudrupsPatrickBoots said: I'd be surprised if we see him getting another start now. If he can't manage to look even semi decent against a team of that level then it's just never going to work for him. It's like playing with 10 men when he's on the pitch. I've said this a few times now since last night but I genuinely think it's worse than playing with 10 men as he unfortunately ends up getting the ball occasionally Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanzmeanzheinz 4,312 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 4 hours ago, siddiqi_drinker said: Want to discuss Dalcio then start a new thread, Waghorn was never great but the amount he has fallen away is unreal. He looks muscular but unfit, uninterested and unable to contribute. Time for him to move on, hopefully, MW will come for him. I agree with most of that. What annoys me is that we always have to have a fall guy. I'm not sure why. I could take this back to over 40yrs ago and we always had one. In the last 10 or so years it's been players like Law, Black, (and ok, they were not world beaters) but also I remember Alan Hutton and Charlie Adam being the fall guy (and they didn't do to badly subsequently) In 1984 only a few months after a winning hat-trick in a cup final Ally McCoist was told to 'get to fuck' with a song sung by thousands. Amoruso and Konterman got loudly booed when they touched the ball in particular matches. My point is this. Waghorn has regressed - no doubt about it. I don't think it's lack of effort I think it's now lack of confidence. But he's being selected regularly so who's really to blame - Waggy or Pedro? Also, waggy did go in for tackles - Dalcio completely shat out of two. That for me is unacceptable. I know it's his first game and he maybe needs time but I'm convinced he's not anywhere near good enough already. I'll take it further - the Pedro Project is going to end in tears, maybe even in this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackrfc95 4,255 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Was Waghorn playing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenDavis 112 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Only played because Pena and Herrera weren't available and Morelos isn't up to speed yet. He might still be here come January but he's not in the long term plans imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaudrupsPatrickBoots 13,510 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Deanzmeanzheinz said: I agree with most of that. What annoys me is that we always have to have a fall guy. I'm not sure why. I could take this back to over 40yrs ago and we always had one. In the last 10 or so years it's been players like Law, Black, (and ok, they were not world beaters) but also I remember Alan Hutton and Charlie Adam being the fall guy (and they didn't do to badly subsequently) In 1984 only a few months after a winning hat-trick in a cup final Ally McCoist was told to 'get to fuck' with a song sung by thousands. Amoruso and Konterman got loudly booed when they touched the ball in particular matches. My point is this. Waghorn has regressed - no doubt about it. I don't think it's lack of effort I think it's now lack of confidence. But he's being selected regularly so who's really to blame - Waggy or Pedro? Also, waggy did go in for tackles - Dalcio completely shat out of two. That for me is unacceptable. I know it's his first game and he maybe needs time but I'm convinced he's not anywhere near good enough already. I'll take it further - the Pedro Project is going to end in tears, maybe even in this season. That's it mate stay positive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagger 8,133 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 He is awful. Slow, cumbersome and offers nothing. I'm assuming/hoping he was there as the others aren't ready yet. Hopefully someone will take him off our hands soon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal 136 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 .After last night performances if Waggy is remotely near the first team again than there should be serious doubts about Pedro's judgement . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu 981 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 The only thing that makes me rhink about PC is his inability to spot a fukin dumpling Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giffnockger 4,840 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 waggys a liar Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBOO72 4,383 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 He may actually end up costing us points if he continues to play. Worse than shite. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan1990 6 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Personally think McKay would have had a field day against that mob last night! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 His time is up done well at Championship level but has struggled since a player I thought would step up no problem. I was wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smile 26,610 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Just now, allan1990 said: Personally think McKay would have had a field day against that mob last night! Yes, him and Wallace link up a lot better as well, Dalcio likes to float about more but early days for him to be judged yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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